Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:04 am

Well CNB & Flyer, you both lead me to believe it's OK & well worth the lives & incurred debt to attack & occupy a sovereign nation in order to keep the price of oil down. Before all this crap the price was at least semi stable, until the speculators started big time. Every time there was some unrest in any OPEC nations the speculators soon learned there was money to be had. Not to forget that it was a former Pres. that set a withdraw date & we were told by Iraq that we weren't needed or wanted unless under their terms. Do either of you have anybody with their lives on the line in your families? Flyer, isn't going around the globe flexing your military might being a bully? These countries have been fighting themselves & each other darn near forever, why did we go in & give them a common enemy? Do you really think American lives are worth it to keep oil under a certain price? If so I'm done with you fools.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:12 am

Sorry Jpete, I almost forgot you. No, the America I grew up in was always the leader in innovative technology of most things, we used to produce & export rather than import products made to our specs, our American owned job creators farmed out & sold out to others. It isn't cheap crap coming from overseas it's made to spec for the lowest price possible which =s highest profit possible.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:18 am

samhill wrote:Well CNB & Flyer, you both lead me to believe it's OK & well worth the lives & incurred debt to attack & occupy a sovereign nation in order to keep the price of oil down. Before all this crap the price was at least semi stable, until the speculators started big time. Every time there was some unrest in any OPEC nations the speculators soon learned there was money to be had. Not to forget that it was a former Pres. that set a withdraw date & we were told by Iraq that we weren't needed or wanted unless under their terms. Do either of you have anybody with their lives on the line in your families? Flyer, isn't going around the globe flexing your military might being a bully? These countries have been fighting themselves & each other darn near forever, why did we go in & give them a common enemy? Do you really think American lives are worth it to keep oil under a certain price? If so I'm done with you fools.



Again you twist what I say. I have said it in the past I was against Iraq from the start. We should not have been there. Yes I have lost friends in that *censored* hole. I would gladly pay much more for oil or not have any oil at all if I can have another beer with them. You do not have to kill people to flex your might. But some do deserve to meet their maker if they choose. This president is a joke and you cannot see it. He has ZERO leadership and could not intimidate a flea. Intimidation can be a powerful weapon, that was a huge strength that Reagan had a lot of and even Bush had a little. You do not have to punch someone to actually prevail in a fight. Just sometimes letting the other person know that they will remember you very well if they keep pushing will end things right there.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:28 am

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/crude- ... 2014-06-18

... and so the real game begins.... You see Sam - Mission Accomplished was a disaster. They won't stop with Iraq and so we descend into WWIII. Got coal, the backlash to this country will be an even worse depression. You can't fix stupid.

So Iraq off line in 1-3 months (my guess)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/if-ira ... 2014-06-17

Got coal as HO will be $7 a gall.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:53 am

It will be tough to deliver coal when diesel fuel is being rationed.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:57 am

So then CNB, your willing to have others die for the price of oil while Flyer is willing to pay more, there is a lot to be learned right there. Before the wars Iraq was producing oil, during the war Iraq was still producing, less but some. After whoever takes control & the smoke clears guess what, Iraq will once again be producing oil. Russia learned in Afghanistan but we didn't learn from that so now we fight our old allies from when Russia was there. Iraq had a vile dictator who had put a contract on Bush1 so now we kill him (the coward we found hiding in a hole) & we replace him with another vile dictator & did we really expect change?
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:57 am

BTW Sam. My reason for posting this thread was because I was sickened seeing all the Iraq people being executed and slaughtered. But of course it was only you that did not recognize that and immediately reference that I want the see more people die.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:59 am

samhill wrote:So then CNB, your willing to have others die for the price of oil while Flyer is willing to pay more, there is a lot to be learned right there. Before the wars Iraq was producing oil, during the war Iraq was still producing, less but some. After whoever takes control & the smoke clears guess what, Iraq will once again be producing oil. Russia learned in Afghanistan but we didn't learn from that so now we fight our old allies from when Russia was there. Iraq had a vile dictator who had put a contract on Bush1 so now we kill him (the coward we found hiding in a hole) & we replace him with another vile dictator & did we really expect change?



You cant have both except maybe while wearing your rose colored glasses.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:01 am

First Flyer it wasn't our business to invade Iraq, what some dictator does to his or her own people may be sad & unjust but it's their business. And before its said that well somebodies got to do it & we are a world power, where does it start & stop, so far it only seems to be where we can gain money, other type wealth or power there is evil all over the place but if they have nothing the world powers have a blind eye.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:10 am

samhill wrote:First Flyer it wasn't our business to invade Iraq, what some dictator does to his or her own people may be sad & unjust but it's their business. And before its said that well somebodies got to do it & we are a world power, where does it start & stop, so far it only seems to be where we can gain money, other type wealth or power there is evil all over the place but if they have nothing the world powers have a blind eye.



You just wrote what I wrote in different words. But fact is because of our previous mistake (yes Bushs fault) the Iraq people are now being slaughtered by the 1000s and I know this incompetent administration will only make it worse. Obama will probably go draw another line in a sand trap somewhere between the 18 holes. I know Bush started this mess at least he was man enough to be involved and do what he needed. He did become a good leader.
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:37 am

I still remember way back when Bush the 1st was President and his Ambassador to Iraq said to Saddam Hussein in a private meeting that the USA would have no issues if he invaded Kuwait. Which he promptly did.

We then turned on Saddam like rabid dogs and hushed up the Ambassador. A set up?
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:43 am

This is the best analysis that I have read. Things happen for a reason and when our leaders are totally ignorant of the why of things, there can be no hope of solution.

http://www.the-american-interest.com/ga ... way-to-go/
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:13 pm

samhill wrote:Sorry Jpete, I almost forgot you. No, the America I grew up in was always the leader in innovative technology of most things, we used to produce & export rather than import products made to our specs, our American owned job creators farmed out & sold out to others. It isn't cheap crap coming from overseas it's made to spec for the lowest price possible which =s highest profit possible.


And you always demonize the people who create jobs while giving a pass to the folks who KILL jobs. Your heroes down in D.C.

Maybe the cost of doing business in the US is too damn high. Did that ever cross your mind?
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Re: Anyone else sickened by what is going on in Iraq?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:17 pm

No Jpete, it never has crossed my mind, the way I see it is that there are many businesses that have stayed here & are doing well. Naturally perhaps they aren't as top heavy as others prefer to be, perhaps they don't promise their shareholders X amount, perhaps instead of deferring funds elsewhere they choose to invest in their own future that is a deduction, just perhaps the CEO makes a reasonable wage. Like some here both union & non-union (if your treated fairly there is no need to unionize) just perhaps they realize that their employees are their greatest asset & show their appreciation.
Just perhaps some of the ones that suddenly found patriotism have discovered that even people in third world countries are people & those people are wanting more of a share, from the floor on up to the top. There too perhaps the bribes they pay the stay there are becoming increasingly more costly, just perhaps.
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