Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:26 pm

Some may remember that I am trying to get a WESO stove up and running again. I talked to the original importer today. He claims this particular model of stove didn't work well in the U.S. because coal here is about 8-12% ash content while European coal is 1-2% ash content. He says this causes the stove to plug up quickly and choke the fire out.

This explaination matches my father's experience. I don't know anything about relative ash content so I put it to the experts. Does this make sense and is there anything I can do about it? I'd like to use the stove but I'd rather not pull my hair out too.
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Re: Quality of coal?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:57 pm

The importer is giving you a line of crap and is making excuses for a stove that is designed poorly for burning anthracite coal. I'd even suggest a poor design overall as many of the european stoves such as the Franco Belge work wonderfully with anthracite. Please point him here if you talk to him in the future so he can get an education.

Where's coalstoves and his pictures when you need him? :lol:

Assuming good quality coal it will mostly burn up to a fine powder in a hand fired stove designed to burn anthracite. Period.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:34 pm

I went back and reviewed the posts at the previous thread
http://nepacrossroads.com/post26837.html#p26837
and it just does not look like the grate is proper for Anthracite burning. It look too small, the coal bed should rest on grates as wide as the sides of the firebox. I don't think this stove could burn Anthracite well. Also, how does the shaker mechanism work? You really need a vigorous shaking mechanism, I can't see that in the photos.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:43 pm

Those grates are about the size a Franco Belge has however the design is quite different. The coal self feeds onto the grates from an internal hopper. The "shaker" grates themselves are round and sit inside of square grates. When you shake them you're actually turning the round part pack and forth which easily breaks any ash up.

That stove doesn't appear to have any way of properly shaking them, I only see that big handle on the front. what's that do? Move what looks like the lower grate?

If the top grate doesn't move I'd suggest that's a very poor design for burning any type of coal under any circumstances.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:48 pm

Richard S. wrote:Those grates are about the size a Franco Belge has however the design is quite different. The coal self feeds onto the grates from an internal hopper. The "shaker" grates themselves are round and sit inside of square grates. When you shake them you're actually turning the round part pack and forth which easily breaks any ash up.


Thanks for the explanation, Richard.
That would explain the sloped sides of the firebox. I noticed the round grates under the surface.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:56 pm

Richard S. wrote:That stove doesn't appear to have any way of properly shaking them, I only see that big handle on the front. what's that do? Move what looks like the lower grate?


That "handle" is a a vent to add air higher up in the fire box. Honestly, I'm not 100% sure how the shacker works. The handle is in the back and moves side to side. I'll have to see what the action is.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:03 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:That would explain the sloped sides of the firebox. I noticed the round grates under the surface.


Sorry I guess I wasn't clear. I was referring to the Franco Belge Grates. The coal sits right on top of the round grate in a Franco Belge. the squre grtes are just surrounding the round grates and are stationary. In other words if you took the Weso Grate, then cut out a round section in the middle that could be turned back and forth you'd have a Franco Belge Grate.

Here's a quick example using the Weso Grate:
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:12 pm

jpete wrote: The handle is in the back and moves side to side.


Well by the looks of it, you have a stationary top grate. Thats never going to work for antrhacite coal. You need a way to break the ash up and get some movement on the coal. I've seen it mentioned that some of the European coal is processed into blocks. I'm going to take a wild guess that's what that stove was designed to burn.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:17 pm

Richard S. wrote:
jpete wrote: The handle is in the back and moves side to side.


Well by the looks of it, you have a stationary top grate. Thats never going to work for antrhacite coal. You need a way to break the ash up and get some movement on the coal. I've seen it mentioned that some of the European coal is processed into blocks. I'm going to take a wild guess that's what that stove was designed to burn.


It's had to tell from the pictures, there were, according to the guy I spoke to, lots of redesigns. The one in the picture might be slightly different than mine. I know mine has a shaker handle on it, I just don't know exactly how it operates. If I get a chance, I'll get over to my father's house and take some pictures of it.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:26 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:That would explain the sloped sides of the firebox. I noticed the round grates under the surface.


Sorry I guess I wasn't clear. I was referring to the Franco Belge Grates. The coal sits right on top of the round grate in a Franco Belge. the squre grtes are just surrounding the round grates and are stationary. In other words if you took the Weso Grate, then cut out a round section in the middle that could be turned back and forth you'd have a Franco Belge Grate.

Here's a quick example using the Weso Grate:


How did you do that???
Maybe I just wasn't reading clearly either. Happens sometimes.
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:29 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:How did you do that???
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It's magic. :lol: You can do anything with image editor, just need to know how to use it.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:08 am

Amazing. So with that I can put Hillary's head on a moose?
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:45 am

Wood'nCoal wrote:Amazing. So with that I can put Hillary's head on a moose?


OMG, if he learns how to use that we are in big trouble here. :lol:
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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:07 am

I think Hillary's head on the tail end of her party's mascot would be more appropriate.. A two headed 'donkey' :D :D

As for the Weso stove, if it has a double layer grate like Richard shows, then it would have to burn only coal that burns to a fine powdery ash... I would try Pea size Blaschak as my first try... But those grates look too restrictive.. Not sure what the designer was thinking...

Greg L

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Re: Quality of coal? Weso Stove Troubles

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:40 am

coaledsweat wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:Amazing. So with that I can put Hillary's head on a moose?


OMG, if he learns how to use that we are in big trouble here. :lol:


:D
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