Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:07 pm

lsayre wrote:Rberg, that we have abandoned the Constitutional call for isolationist tariffs and excises in favor of wide open globalism and open borders plays right into the astute observation you have made above regarding cheap foreign goods leading to the destruction of local jobs. It's not just Republicans and Democrats who have led us away from our Constitutional calling to be isolationists and brought us to this juncture. Even the Libertarians are completely blind to this point.

In furtherance of my opinion that all of our problems (the ones you have pointed out as well as the ones I have pointed out and many more on top of those) are ultimately somehow tied to energy matters, I offer this brief 56 minute video which could well be the best and most important 56 minutes you can spend in seeing where we are headed. The guy who created this video was formerly the Vice President of the mega conglomerate Phizer Corporation, until he had a moment of enlightenment that led to dramatic changes in his life and that of his family (for the better). The changes he made to his life are a result of the things he presents in the brief video "course" to be found on the web page I have linked here. This is the super condensed version of what was originally a much larger course that used to take about 3 and a half hours to watch (and which several times i have urged those on this forum to watch, with no feedback afirming that anyone ever actually did so).

http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/8587 ... ke-last-20


My fault. I have never seen it posted. I will watch it for sure. Thanks.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:37 pm

I intend to watch that video but would like to answer rberg first.

rberg you have told us about the end of government intervention in one area so why not tell us about how government intervention is making out in other areas and how it effects the middle class and jobs in general?

There has been a massive shift in wealth from the private sector to government.

Government has seen fit through its intervention in the market to dramatically raise prices in housing, education and health care, things that hit the middle class hardest.

I have read that taxes on US corporations are the highest in the world and that profits earned and taxes paid by those corporations in other countries are taxed again if returned to the US. That double taxation seems a lot like intervention to me and results in further market distortion when companies keep money overseas rather than bring it back to invest here. Certainly a restraint on trade and would be illegal if practiced between US states because it would no longer be an open market.

And then there is the distortion of the financial market with gangster banks and their allies in government. Most importantly there is the distortion of our currency. How can true wealth be produced with government rigged markets as the path?
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:21 am

Could it be that our tax system simply has been rigged to favor the certain few in both private & business sectors? The lobbying of our astute politicians has tipped the playing field & especially in the business sector has effectively driven the smaller tax paying ones out of the production picture & favors the large few. It's happened before with a bit of a different twist but now it's come back with a twist where both Gov. & Corps. are guilty.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:20 am

I thought the condensed version did away with the original longer version, but the original ~4.5 hour full course (all 26 segments of it, 27 with the intro) is still available here: http://www.peakprosperity.com/crashcourse/draft

After watching the 56 minute condensed version watch this one some time if you can as it will expand upon the details and fundamentals and clarify much of what he speeds through in the condensed course. The original course came out before both the 2008 downturn and fracking, but none of the fundamentals of its wisdom have been altered by these occurrences.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:48 am

samhill wrote:Could it be that our tax system simply has been rigged to favor the certain few in both private & business sectors? The lobbying of our astute politicians has tipped the playing field & especially in the business sector has effectively driven the smaller tax paying ones out of the production picture & favors the large few. It's happened before with a bit of a different twist but now it's come back with a twist where both Gov. & Corps. are guilty.


But the solution isn't to get rid of businessmen, it's to get rid of government.

Only government has the power to force me to do something. They make the rules. They have the guns. And they are the ones who sell themselves to the highest bidder.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:18 am

Perhaps you'll get at least part of your wish Jpete, what you fail to realize is that we are all part of the Gov. you so much want to get rid of. We are the ones with the power to change things so what do they do, they are trying to systematically remove that power by chipping away at some of that power & keeping everybody fighting & divided.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:59 pm

jpete wrote:But the solution [is] to get rid of government.

Yes! :idea: So we can be just like Somalia! :!:
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:51 pm

Belgium existed recently (2010-2011) for 589 days without a federal government and it did just fine. No chaos. No Somalia.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:01 pm

samhill wrote:Perhaps you'll get at least part of your wish Jpete, what you fail to realize is that we are all part of the Gov. you so much want to get rid of. We are the ones with the power to change things so what do they do, they are trying to systematically remove that power by chipping away at some of that power & keeping everybody fighting & divided.


Are you really that naive? Who are you kidding? You sit here day after day talking about how the government is bought and sold and you think YOU have ANY say in how it's run?

What a joke. You negate every argument you try to make.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:03 pm

rberq wrote:
jpete wrote:But the solution [is] to get rid of government.

Yes! :idea: So we can be just like Somalia! :!:


So the ONLY alternative to what we have is total lawlessness?
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:14 pm

Jpete, you could be right & maybe I am naïve. You sit back & fully utilize all the rights you have. keep wanting to go by the letter of the constitution that you say is totally annihilated but why. Perhaps then you are also negating everything you say but I would rather have faith in our system & hope we will finally reach a point where change is made the proper way. You on the other hand want to go against that very Constitution & have total lawlessness.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:17 pm

I believe that the Belgium officials kept the basic business of Governing until such a time that another group was decided on, pretty much a different form of Gov. with more parties.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:20 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, you could be right & maybe I am naïve. You sit back & fully utilize all the rights you have. keep wanting to go by the letter of the constitution that you say is totally annihilated but why. Perhaps then you are also negating everything you say but I would rather have faith in our system & hope we will finally reach a point where change is made the proper way. You on the other hand want to go against that very Constitution & have total lawlessness.


Nice try.

The Constitution lists SOME of the Natural Rights we have. I believe in Natural Law. They exist outside government. Government is a man made institution. Subject to all the perversions man is capable of.

If we all followed natural law, government would be unnecessary.

Maybe you think men need a boot on their neck to control them. I however, do not.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:27 pm

I propose that we should go 589 days (or more, so we can boast of the record) without a federal government. We may just find that we like it better when government is more local.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:21 pm

jpete wrote:If we all followed natural law, government would be unnecessary.

That's a pretty broad statement because you first have to define natural law and then what is natural law in man and at least cite some anthropological studies. That behaviour has varied so widely in both primitive and civilized man it becomes very difficult to pin down the root instinctive formulation of many forms of behaviour. As an example sadistic behaviour can often be linked to sex, but is it always?

Our survival has depended on our ability to form social groups, but just as important is the ability of the individual to express individuality within that group without conflict. The two things are at odds with each other. The hunter gatherers we are descended from only an eye blink away in time probably define more accurately what is natural in us. The urge to subdivide a nation into states and then counties and then towns followed by neighborhoods reflects that yearning to return to the natural.
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