Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:58 pm

jpete wrote:If we can't behave any differently than cats and dogs then I guess there is no hope.

I personally don't think animals have morality or rights for that matter. If they did, then PETA is correct and "meat is murder"

But we do behave differently and the cat behaves differently from the dog, though there are many similarities to humans in behaviour as well as in biology.

Most people think that animals have a right to be treated humanely; I suspect you do too. The animal certainly believes in the right to life.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:26 pm

jpete wrote:If rights and morals are societal based, why did we have trials at Nuremberg? Clearly that society at that time didn't have an issue slaughtering millions.

Again the quote that rberg used.
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
― William Shakespeare, Hamlet

It was the leaders of that society and they did keep it quiet to their own population to avoid problems. Most Germans were deeply shocked and one burgomaster killed himself after being forced to view one of the camps.

Terrorists have a special problem because they too have to have moral justification. We justified terror bombing of Germany because the Germans did it first in London. Our current crop or terrorists falls back on the belief that they are fulfilling the wishes of God. Notice it is not their will but Gods and the terror has to escalate to justify itself.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:33 pm

So I guess the answer to the question posed in the title is. "No"

The super rich CAN'T be evil because they are merely acting upon their own moral code.

In fact, I no longer believe in the concept of evil.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:25 pm

jpete wrote:The super rich CAN'T be evil because they are merely acting upon their own moral code.

It's the moral code of those doing the judging that counts, if they have enough power, but underneath it all are the simple inborn concepts of right and wrong that skilled sophists can convince most that there is no violation.

Goering at his trial used the argument that we often hear in politics. In effect "Well you guys did things just as bad so I should get away with it", only done a lot more eloquently.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:37 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:The super rich CAN'T be evil because they are merely acting upon their own moral code.

It's the moral code of those doing the judging that counts, if they have enough power, but underneath it all are the simple inborn concepts of right and wrong that skilled sophists can convince most that there is no violation..


So "might makes right"? Is that what we're going with?
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:55 pm

jpete wrote:So "might makes right"? Is that what we're going with?


That's the way it usually works, but if you look at Obama's first election victory it was his "jes folks" style and seeming common sense and decency that won most over. A moral victory for the people, or at least it seemed like that at the time to those voting for him. Morality won out even if deceived.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:15 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:So "might makes right"? Is that what we're going with?


That's the way it usually works, but if you look at Obama's first election victory it was his "jes folks" style and seeming common sense and decency that won most over. A moral victory for the people, or at least it seemed like that at the time to those voting for him. Morality won out even if deceived.



Sheese. I almost believed him the first round. Or at least I wanted to. But common sense prevailed. Even though after he won I admit I felt some pride that the country elected the first black president. Even though I didn't vote for him I hoped he could make the country better. I wanted to give him a chance. I never imagined he would be this bad. People who voted for Obama's second should pay double tax. I don't believe greed exists in natural law. This administration is running on pure greed. In nature he would have already been mauled by the masses.
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:32 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:So "might makes right"? Is that what we're going with?


That's the way it usually works, but if you look at Obama's first election victory it was his "jes folks" style and seeming common sense and decency that won most over. A moral victory for the people, or at least it seemed like that at the time to those voting for him. Morality won out even if deceived.


How is it a "moral victory" to elect an immoral administration?
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: plumb-r On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:41 pm

Hey "flyer" the people that voted him in the second time don't pay any tax. Nothing times 2 is still nothing. I think that's how voting should work. You only get to vote if you actually pay tax. That would set them off wouldn't it. :D
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Re: Class warfare. Are the superrich really evil ?

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:42 pm

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