Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:17 am

I use primarily Champions in our shop & have experienced no problems in the 10+ business full time. Only had problem with Champion in a Chevy yrs. ago.
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:51 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:I use primarily Champions in our shop & have experienced no problems in the 10+ business full time. Only had problem with Champion in a Chevy yrs. ago.

Yup, 45 years here of using Champions in boats- inboard and outboard, small two cycles, trucks, race car, street cars, and antiques - low compression or high compression - battery ignition or magneto including a Vertex aircraft mag in my street/strip AMX. Only had problems whenever using them in foreign cars.

Sunny Boy
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:32 pm

009to090 wrote:
LsFarm wrote:I also got more of the '25 Pierce's engine back together, Valves, pistons, rods, rebuilt roller cam followers, valve lash set.

Kewl! That truly is a "BLOCK" ! Must've been where the term originated.

Champions are not my favorite either. If I have to use them, I test every one before installing. They tend to arc deep inside by the insulator, as if the insulator has impurities allowing it to arc.
I have used NGK for years now.

That was the same experience I have seen with them. Another was the insulator would crack low down inside and allow leakage. If I had to use them I always stopped just short of recommended torque spec. Never go over.
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: titleist1 On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:32 pm

Hey FF.....I am stuck on that pic trying to figure out if it is a frontal shot or showing the rear view.......

ahhhhh never mind......i think I am better off not knowing...... :doh: :help:

here I thought that selfie you posted was scary!! :surrender: toothy
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:03 pm


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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:58 pm

I use the OLD style Champions, the type you can remove the insulator from the plug base. On those, you can clean the insulator without having spark leakage.
The new fancy extra tall 'antique' engine Chumps are crap. Many of us use them only for show, and use Autolite 3076 for running down the road.

When I turned wrenches for a living, it was either Bosch, NGK, Nippondenso. Champs were put in the round file. The just could not be trusted to run well.

There is a big misconception about hot heat range plugs. They do NOT run hotter until the engine is running at or near temp. A hot range spark plug will not prevent oil or gas fouling when starting the engine. AFTER the engine is running, and run long enough that the combustion chamber is up to temp, then a hotter plug can help reduce oil fouling.

Certain engines have 'different' combustion chamber and flame flow characteristics. I've had a few engines that responded well to pointing the gap in a certain direction in the head. I'd use solid copper plug gaskets and a sharpie mark on the plug to know where the gap was when the plug was torqued. Must have something to do with the flame flow in the engine.

In the years that I ran VW's, only Bosch plugs ran good in them.. I tried numerous times to use Chumps, because I could buy a colder plug in Chumps. but they would miss under hard load, where a Bosch plug would not.. .

The plugs in this little 6cylinder engine in the '41 plymouth are the small 14mm base, and short reach. Granted they have had plenty of abuse from the previous owner trying to get the engine to run, it has been run on crap old gas, and that surely didn't help. BUT when a rotten old set of 4 Bosch plugs well used in my ancient VW 30 years ago and two lawnmower plugs also well used, when these 6 run better than a newer set of Chumps, with nice crisp electrodes and no rust on the outside of the plug.. Well I'm sorry, the Chumps are bad.

I'm sure plenty of people have good luck with them, I haven't and I've been working on cars since I was 8 or 9 years old. that's over 52 years now.. and I cannot ever recall having issues with any plug but Chumps. I'll stick with autolites now for my antique and old cars. All the new cars have platinum electrode 100K plugs in them now. So I haven't changed a modern engine plug for years.

Anyway, plenty going on this week, truck work to do, ongoing engine work on the Pierce, and preparation for my trips in July.

Greg L
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:29 pm

Chumps! I like that! :lol:

I just threw a set of NGK Iridiums in my Silverado to replace the AC Delcos it came with. Supposed to be able to run those Delcos to 100k miles, but this is 21st century GM we're talking about - don't feel like replacing or tapping/re-threading cylinder heads at 100k miles ...

Yep - when grandpa told us something was junk, there was a reason behind that. ;) I'll have to take pics of grandpa's giant plastic Chumpion :lol: spark plug & sign tomorrow.

He'd been working on engines since he was old enough to pick up and hold a wrench in his hand. I'd imagine the first engines he touched were hit & miss farm workhorses, and then cars in his early to late teens (and coincidentally, in the teens of the 20th century). His father was a steam engineer, so he was charting new territory with the internal combustion engine. He grew up in the best possible times. Hit some rough patches through the depression, but his ingenuity got him through that completely unscathed. He and my grandma sold skunk pelts, and he repaired the first oil burners for barter. I'm sure lots of cars came his way then as well. Probably why when I was a kid he could rebuild any part of a Model T with his eyes closed. 8-)

He hated jap cars. Told my aunt, who drove her misfiring jap special up there, that he doesn't work on cars with bamboo connecting rods. :funny:
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: Hambden Bob On: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:07 am

You've gotta Love And Respect Grampa ! Had the same trouble with Chumps in the old Ever-rude Outboards I worked on as a kid. Learning what works is plain experience that takes trial and error to come by. If you've got Customers,then there's no time for trouble at the Dock,or worse,out in the Lake. Greg,Smits,I liked the read on this one. Took me back to a time when my first rides were Beater VW Super Beetles! :up: Oh,and Freddy,try not to schedule Yourself on the Grieving Process. Your doing something called "Living". Your Situation is all Yours,yet You've been so Gracious to share it with us. You're doing exactly as You Should,so "Steady On",Mate ! :dancing:
Hambden Bob
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Re: Coffee (Early!) 6-21-14

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:39 am

Thanks for the pics, LS. Very nice.

I too had problems with Champion plugs once. Had a '73 Chevy pickup, 350, 3 on the tree. Put brand new Champions in it, and it wouldn't start. 5 out of the 8 new plugs were sparking thru the ceramic inside near the base, as soon as the plug was grounded to the block.
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