Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:44 pm

The wall mount style heat shield is commonly recommended because it's easier for many stove installers and home owners, but not the only way.

Putting the heat shield on the stove meets the standard too, but most stove installers and masons shy away from that method with old stoves because they are not familiar with it.

Next time you talk to Doug, ask him about it, if your stove installer's recommendations don't sound like what you want.

Paul
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: McGiever On: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:28 pm

We would also have to have a new hole in the flue above the fireplace because you can not go down hill with the pipe and with the height of the stove it would be to high to go in the fireplace. The fireplace would have to be blocked off with a metal plate up by the damper. Here again a mason would have to put the new hole in to the flue but we could do the damper plate. I could have the guys stop out and take another look


Sometimes a little adjust-ability can be had by lowering the outlet on the back-pipe in order to get the horizontal pipe to go into the opening of fireplace.

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And BTW...Who says smoke can not go down?
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: wsherrick On: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:52 pm

I'm not sure if the installer you are talking to even knows what a base heater is, or; how it's configured. He probably doesn't understand that the exhaust collar on the stove is probably lower than the lintel on your fire place.
I have been to many modern stove stores and they know nothing about anything except the products they sell. Explaining how a base heater works to one of them is very difficult indeed.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:51 am

Yeah, already I'm thinking of using another installer. Not only be cause I don't think they understand base heaters, but he said that I'd have to get a mason to cut the hole. This company http://www.getflametech.com/index.php is in my area and they said they do it all. Guessing if I need to have the wood mantel replaced for something non-flammable they could do that also in order to cut that 36" down a bit.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: McGiever On: Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:25 pm

Just as has been already pointed out, you have no c!earence concerns that shielding wouldn't solve. ;)

Add the shielding and the rest is just venting in and up though the chimney damper block off plate.

This is probably a good time to throw this out...You don't want to ever burn wood in this stove...among many things, creosote can foul things up in the masonry stack.
It's just not worth it. :no1:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:26 pm

McGiever wrote:
We would also have to have a new hole in the flue above the fireplace because you can not go down hill with the pipe and with the height of the stove it would be to high to go in the fireplace. The fireplace would have to be blocked off with a metal plate up by the damper. Here again a mason would have to put the new hole in to the flue but we could do the damper plate. I could have the guys stop out and take another look


Sometimes a little adjust-ability can be had by lowering the outlet on the back-pipe in order to get the horizontal pipe to go into the opening of fireplace.

Rear pipe arrangement on City No.14.jpg

And BTW...Who says smoke can not go down?


WOW, i love the finish on that stove !! what is it ? the stove and the finish.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: titleist1 On: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:28 am

@McGiever....and what is under the poly behind the stove?? More pics of that please!!
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:35 am

Sorry, not my stove, it was a pic. in my photo album...used it here to help illustrate a point.
I believe it is a City Glenwood No.14 with stove polish finish...not sure though. :)
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:47 pm

ust as has been already pointed out, you have no clearence concerns that shielding wouldn't solve.

Add the shielding and the rest is just venting in and up though the chimney damper block off plate.
So what does a shield for an antique stove look like.

This is probably a good time to throw this out...You don't want to ever burn wood in this stove...among many things, creosote can foul things up in the masonry stack. It's just not worth it.
Well I don't intend to burn wood, but I got into theses types of stoves to have that versatility. But I digress. Coal is a much better option for me. As for creosote build up I hope I never have to deal with it.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:36 pm

The heat shield should be the easiest thing in the world. Get a decorative piece of metal such as a section of copper or tin ceiling with a pattern you like. Have a local metal worker make a light frame for it which should cost $ 30 bucks or so, then; place it behind the body of the stove. It can have an upside down U shaped groove up from the bottom so the shield can fit over the pipe. Bang, done. Not ugly but rather an enhancement.
Here is an example of something similar. You are limited only by your creativity.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:01 pm

Just got the call from Doug over at Barnstable. Mr. Herald #6 is ready. :D Here's some pictures.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: Pancho On: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:21 pm

^^^^^ Looks like new money.....very nice looking stove.....and the base looks almost identical to my Glenwood.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: wsherrick On: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:57 pm

It's absolutely beautiful. I know you can't wait to get it.
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:22 am

Why am I seeing two flue exits from that stove?
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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:40 pm

i thought some one would clear this up by now.

the cast elbow you see is sitting on top of the tea kettle plate, it's true position is mounted to the collar you see further down on the back of the actual flue pipe.
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