Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:34 pm

Today the trigger has been pulled. I have made the deposit on the Herald #6. I must admit I was torn between the Glenwood #6 that Dough says he has also. However in my attempt not to be an exact copy cat of our illustrious forum member William I have chosen the Herald #6. And assured that it was equally as good as a Glenwood #6. Guessing I can't join the Glenwood community, but being the newest member of the HAND FIRED COAL STOVES community feels damn good. Beside Coalnewbie and I can :cheers: :drunk: :secret: trade info. I can't wait. Doug at Barnstable says about 6 weeks And Mr. Herald will be ready for transport. :D

So now I have some very real concerns. As usual up late last night I was on the forum and came across a post about hand feed coal heaters exploding. Something about the coal gases igniting. Will this be an issue with one of these type stoves. Or is this for those square box type stoves? Further reading provided that it is was a minor explosion. And a dusty one nothing life threatening. just the flue coming apart. Anyways, this really got me to thinking. I really must learn how to work this thing before it get's here. I need to be confident I know what I doing. Or I'll probably fear the damn thing. I got those butterflies in my stomach. Feels just like I just jumped out of a plane, or a baby bird leaving the nest for the first time. I MUST LEARN TO FLY. At least before old man winter rears his ugly face.

My other concern is installation. After making the deposit I called the local stove shop I had intended on using when I was thinking about having a pellet stove installed. http://bylers.com/stoveshoppe/index.html I wanted to see if they were familiar with installing these type of stoves. He says that the installs are mostly all the same. But he asked me to send him some instruction or owners manual on the heater. I don't think he understands when I said antique coal stove. I think he wants to know about clearance and things of that sort. When he said this. I was thinking.......Those instructions are antiques as well, young wipper snapper :baby: . Besides ebay where can I find I find the information that he is looking for. He wants me to email them to him

Thanks in Advance
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Herald #6
Baseburners & Antiques: Herald #6
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Stove Size
Other Heating: Natural Gas

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: scalabro On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:48 pm

Congrats Uncle an excellent choice!

Welcome to the club :)

When you have your first blowback you will laugh, then you will not do it again.

It's what happens when an excess of coal gas accumulates and then ignites suddenly due to operator error! Last season on my Crawford, I could get flames to shoot out the secondary air vents at will after a fresh load....hahahahahaha! :blowup: :devil:

It's as if the stove sneezes and can be messy, lol!

I'll let the other guys explain it in more detail.

Clearances will probably be dictated by the National Fire Code and or your local building inspector.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford 40, PP Stewart No. 14 in the works.
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Anthracite.
Other Heating: Oil fired, forced hot air.

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:52 pm

Clearances will probably be dictated by the National Fire Code and or your local building inspector.
I have to have a building inspector?
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Baseburners & Antiques: Herald #6
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Stove Size
Other Heating: Natural Gas

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Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: scalabro On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:58 pm

UncleDoDat wrote:
Clearances will probably be dictated by the National Fire Code and or your local building inspector.
I have to have a building inspector?


In the socialist prison camp of Massachusetts I had to and got the permit....the whole 9 yards. But by doing so I could prove to my insurance company that it was installed "correctly".
scalabro
 
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford 40, PP Stewart No. 14 in the works.
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Anthracite.
Other Heating: Oil fired, forced hot air.

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:07 pm

O. K. now here comes all the hidden stuff I never thought of asking about. How much was the permit. And what's the insurance companies take on having such an old stove?
UncleDoDat
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Herald #6
Baseburners & Antiques: Herald #6
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Stove Size
Other Heating: Natural Gas

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:20 pm

Fear not. Coal stoves are much, much safer and easier to use than any wood stove. Clearances are the same for any solid fuel device. I have never had a permit to do something on my private property and I never will.
All you need to do is follow the guidelines which are easy and the space you want to put the stove in is no issue. The guidelines are easy to follow.
Stoves made before 1980 are exempt from the need to be UL listed.
It shouldn't effect your insurance. I have State Farm and it's no big deal.
You are now part of the family and there are all of us here to be with you every, single step of the way from the day you get the stove, until you learn how to operate it.
We will also rejoice with you when you fall in love with it and wonder what the heck you ever did with out it.
You are beginning a process that many, many before you have gone through.
Enjoy the journey of discovery that you have taken the very first baby steps to begin.
wsherrick
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:23 pm

Give a ring to your insurance company and tell them you are putting in a coal stove. They may or may not want approval locally. Most localities do want inspection as a safety measure. You can also speak to the local building inspector for advice. Hopefully they wont be too nit picky.

Clearances for antiques is 3 feet to combustibles unless protected by shielding, which cuts it in half. The floor also needs protection.

Puff backs are usually caused by impatience in tending, wanting to close down too soon. When loading a fresh batch of coal, the coal gives off gasses when first heated. These burn with a blue flame if enough air is present, so it is a good idea to open the air supply in the feed door partially at least until the blue flames are burning well. At this time it is usual practice to also give more air through the ash door. Once things are going well then it is ok to close down for a long burn. Heaping coal on and not increasing air allows the gasses to not burn. They accumulate and when they eventually get some air can explode, or waste potential heat by going up the chimney unburned.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:25 pm

Re explosions, I would not be so concerned. If you look under the loading door of the Wings and Glenwood you see a number of small holes drilled. This provides just a little secondary air over the fire to prevent such things and turns methane into blue ladies before damage is done. The Herald does not have that feature, at least I don't think so anyway. So if a have a good draft just open the little dial in the middle of the upper door, just a crack mind you that would do the same thing. My Hitzer used to "explode" (minor pop) now and again. It is trivial on this type of stove and not something that keeps me awake at night. Don't worry too much all things will come.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:56 pm

Well I feel a bit better now. But I feel the need to line my ducks in a row as soon as possible. Just to be extra thorough. I don't want any BS when it comes to installing this baby. What can I send him so that he knows what type of stove I want him to install? I mean a pic is worth a thousand world but he asked for an owners manual. Imagine that. :lol:
UncleDoDat
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Herald #6
Baseburners & Antiques: Herald #6
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Stove Size
Other Heating: Natural Gas

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: Merc300d On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:48 pm

Congratulations on the purchase of your first coal stove. I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Please post all the pics you can. Where do you think the stove will be installed?
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood base heater 6
Baseburners & Antiques: Magic Stewart 12
Coal Size/Type: Stove
Other Heating: Oil base board

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:16 pm

hoping to put it right there. Wondering if I have to move the piano.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Herald #6
Baseburners & Antiques: Herald #6
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Stove Size
Other Heating: Natural Gas

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:33 pm

Don't sweat too many of the details now, get the stove running first. The board will guide you over every step - that's what we do. Everybody had to light their first fire once. LOL
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:06 pm

:clap: Glad you were able to make your decision. It seemed you caught the bug wicked early :lol: Did you tell the Mrs. that you bought your "FIRST ANTIQUE COAL STOVE" 'cause you do realize that many here have numerous hahaha! Stick a fork in yah. Now for the serious stuff, I thought your line...."I really need to find out how this thing works before I get it"...is classic, and no you will learn like the rest of us one ton at a time or I should say one stove at a time! Now I am speaking from experience I have three :rofl: :rofl:
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:12 am

All other things considered, you should think about what this stove will mean to you and your family. It will mean security. You will be warm no matter what. No matter how long the power goes out. The power lines can go down, the gas can stop, you are free of dependence on it. Free of worrying about it forever. No matter how deep the snow gets or how cold it is. You will have warmth. You can cook on these things very easily. During Sandy I had all the electric dependent neighbors over. We had heat, and hot meals, hot coffee and hot water for washing dishes, etc. All because I have a coal heater. The 10 day power outage was small potatoes for my household.
Having your winter heat in front of you, already paid for in advance; is a great feeling of security. Not to mention the feeling that you are one up on everyone else. The feeling is accurate because you are.
wsherrick
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Pulled The Trigger. Herald #6 Will Be New Family Member

PostBy: UncleDoDat On: Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:00 am

(William) Yours video have spawned this new way of life for me and I'm sure many others.
It will mean security. You will be warm no matter what. No matter how long the power goes out. The power lines can go down, the gas can stop, you are free of dependence on it. Free of worrying about it forever. No matter how deep the snow gets or how cold it is. You will have warmth.
That means a lot to me. I'm already in love with it. And it's not even here yet. I feel kinda of guilty coming out the gate with such a kick ass stove. I fear that I am skipping a learning curve of some kind. However, there's a little voice in my head saying, "you did a helluva lot of good research and those videos of Williams really complimented the BaseBuning stove that helped me make my decision." I mean I watch your videos and I just know this was the right decision for me. The security that you have described William will not be taken for granted. I have even just purchased the book from Amazon Coal comfort: An alternative way to heat your house. I'm kinda obsessed at the moment. :drool: Hopefully this will subside when it get's here. :yearight: Probably not, but it sounds good.

Thank you William and all the forum members who have been so helpful. I may not know all of your names, but I intend to learn.
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. :dancing:
UncleDoDat
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Herald #6
Baseburners & Antiques: Herald #6
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Stove Size
Other Heating: Natural Gas

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