Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: qbwebb On: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:44 pm

Has anyone stored coal for an extended period of time in the poly woven super sacks? I'm into the 16th skid of my 20 skid load of bagged I took delivery on 3 yrs ago and am contemplating ordering the large truckload and filling super sacks or just getting in a couple more skids to get me through this winter and putting off the bulk storage method until next year. From what others have posted I have seen the per ton spread on local bagged delivered vs. the bulk load @ $100 +/ton.

I have a 39 horse tractor w/ FEL and a separate fork attachment. I'm not exactly sure what the FEL weight limit is, but I know it won't get a full skid of bagged off the ground. My thoughts on the super sacks are I just fill to the tractors lift capacity and I can store them down the hill in the woods out of the way (my 2.5 acres has a hill dividing it and there isn't allot of space currently for the poured pad/block solution). Super sacks would be ez to fill w/ the FEL, I just don't know how they hold up for 3-4 yrs.
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:51 pm

If your thinking a ton a bag then that is pushing it with the tractor. I have one ton forklift that we unload palleted wood shavings with no problems but with a big Deere skid steer (not mine) with forks it would lift the back up. It's all down the leverage and those tractor loaders are lifting a long way out whereas a fork lift has almost zero leverage to fight (half way down the pallet). So I guess you fill as much as you can but if there are hills involved???
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:57 pm

Can you get forks for the 3 point on the rear of the tractor ? The 3 pt will not lift as high ,but should allow you to move the skids from outside storage into where you want them. Cheap solution & safe too .
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 pm

You would have to protect the super sacks from the sun. After 1 year of exposure they go downhill fast.
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:14 am

Rob R. wrote:You would have to protect the super sacks from the sun. After 1 year of exposure they go downhill fast.

The coal should be fine though ...
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:00 am

The coal is never in question, however separating if from millions of tiny poly strips may challenge your patience. Up on a pallet, covered from the sun is the only safe way. Under cover is the best solution..... :idea:
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:02 am

whistlenut wrote:The coal is never in question, however separating if from millions of tiny poly strips may challenge your patience. Up on a pallet, covered from the sun is the only safe way. Under cover is the best solution..... :idea:

I don't know how available they are, but Polyethylene lined supersacks are available. A polly lined bag would solve the water infiltration issue but like Rob said, the sun's UV will destroy the bag in short order.
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:14 pm

UV is a killer of woven sacks, just like blue tarps. Even the higher end tarps are marginal after a year or 2. Rubber roofing or tarps from newer outdoor billboards help save contents from UV. My buddy up the street has politician faces on him wood piles. At least politicians are good for something :lol:
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:07 am

I Use the big bags. They get stored on pallets. If I'm going to store for an extended length of time, I cover my sacks with a cheap tarp from Ocean State Job Lot. Last a couple years. Or an old pool liner.
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:23 am

qbwebb wrote:Has anyone stored coal for an extended period of time in the poly woven super sacks? I'm into the 16th skid of my 20 skid load of bagged I took delivery on 3 yrs ago and am contemplating ordering the large truckload and filling super sacks or just getting in a couple more skids to get me through this winter and putting off the bulk storage method until next year. From what others have posted I have seen the per ton spread on local bagged delivered vs. the bulk load @ $100 +/ton.

I have a 39 horse tractor w/ FEL and a separate fork attachment. I'm not exactly sure what the FEL weight limit is, but I know it won't get a full skid of bagged off the ground. My thoughts on the super sacks are I just fill to the tractors lift capacity and I can store them down the hill in the woods out of the way (my 2.5 acres has a hill dividing it and there isn't allot of space currently for the poured pad/block solution). Super sacks would be ez to fill w/ the FEL, I just don't know how they hold up for 3-4 yrs.



I use them all the time here have a 39 hp tractor also, i can get 1500 to 1800 lb per bag max with buck PM me for my phone number and more info if needed, sunlight will degrade the bags some what i would just tarp them for storage will also keep all of the junk out of the coal plastic skids will be your friend....

also are your rear tires loaded ? i have loaded rears with rim guard and use a counter weight ( 55 gallon barrel filled with water mounted on a carry on 3 point ) on 3 point side the 3 point fork lift sound like a good idea might look into that myself
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: qbwebb On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:42 am

Thanks everyone for your reply. I like the carry all solution, tractors 3ph is rated to 2700lb at ball ends. Anyone know if that translates to a ton or more on a skid? The person I bought from says tires were loaded and it says as much on the dealer invoice, but as it was warming up this spring I saw condensation on only the bottom 1/4 or so, so I'm thinking they r not loaded very much, I will have to get one of those fill valves and see how much more can be added.

Tractor supplies carry all is only rated to 1000lb, prob will have to look online for one. For those of you with the tractor and FEL do you just get coal dumped on a tarp and use the FEL to fill the super sacks?

IBC tote tanks run about 100-150 on CL around here , but that up front investment gets me back to the realm of what I'd pay for bagged.
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:57 am

qbwebb wrote:Thanks everyone for your reply. I like the carry all solution, tractors 3ph is rated to 2700lb at ball ends. Anyone know if that translates to a ton or more on a skid? The person I bought from says tires were loaded and it says as much on the dealer invoice, but as it was warming up this spring I saw condensation on only the bottom 1/4 or so, so I'm thinking they r not loaded very much, I will have to get one of those fill valves and see how much more can be added.

Tractor supplies carry all is only rated to 1000lb, prob will have to look online for one. For those of you with the tractor and FEL do you just get coal dumped on a tarp and use the FEL to fill the super sacks?

IBC tote tanks run about 100-150 on CL around here , but that up front investment gets me back to the realm of what I'd pay for bagged.


you can check how full your tires are by putting the valve stem at different positions, and as for the tote tanks you have the added weight of the tank and the steel frame

i been buying my bags from link below , tried the closed top bags and there a pain in the ass to load, i shovel off of my dump trailer to fill my bags, do not know what size coal your loading but you could build a funnel loader and hook the bags to the bottom of it to load, and as i stated before unless your doing rice you will not get 2,000lb per bag

have the carry all and its not a fork lift for skids this is a rear fork lift ..
http://www.everythingattachments.com/Ki ... -mover.htm

place i buy my bulk bags
http://www.onlinefabricstore.net/34-5-i ... n-top-.htm
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:47 pm

What's the difference between rice and say,,,, buck? You know something there that the rest of us don't? I would think it would be easier to get more weight in a bag with buck than rice.
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:07 am

Scottscoaled wrote:What's the difference between rice and say,,,, buck? You know something there that the rest of us don't? I would think it would be easier to get more weight in a bag with buck than rice.


its volume of coal in the bags or bin or barrel ect ect


a ton of nut will take up more space than a ton of rice, more air space between pieces

or a ton of sand vs a ton of # 3 rock get the picture.........

i get 2 ton on my trailer for my bags that is 3 bags really full plus some pails, the really full bag suck to move with the pallet jack so i do 4 bag instead......
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Re: Outdoor Coal Storage in super sacks

PostBy: Pacowy On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:27 am

RAYJAY wrote: a ton of nut will take up more space than a ton of rice, more air space between pieces


Sorry but I think the Mayor shot that concept down a while ago - Bulk coal delivery protocol?.

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