Glenwood #8 long burn

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:44 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Oh Rob, you and your technical questions, you are a riot. Where is that physics book.... hot air rises and a heat soaked house cures all. Oh the TT load of rice, did I tell you about the other 8000 sq ft I am heating???? Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.


Yes, I have taken that physics class also. I started out in a big house with hand fed stoves...the subzero Canadian winds make you get smart, or freeze.

I had to mention the filtration system after all the jabs you have given me for heating with "dirty air" via hot water baseboards. I think the HEPA filter system would work well to condition the heated air from your stoves, but it sort of goes against the whole hand-fed no power required thing.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:09 pm

Rob, I think jabs is a bit strong. Many ways of heating with coal and they are all correct :) . The air filtration system is a nice plus and can stay in place even with the stove off. Air handling is not critical if power goes out for a few hours/days and that is the point. Do I have all the answers - no way but I intend to have fun playing and sharing.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:32 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Rob, I think jabs is a bit strong. Many ways of heating with coal and they are all correct :) . The air filtration system is a nice plus and can stay in place even with the stove off. Air handling is not critical if power goes out for a few hours/days and that is the point. Do I have all the answers - no way but I intend to have fun playing and sharing.


Blessed are the peacemakers.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: dlj On: Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:27 pm

A number 8 will burn very nicely on stove coal. Nut also works, but I've always said I like stove coal better for these stoves. And if you want it to run for as long as possible between fill-ups, get a magazine. So you are going to put a #8 in your basement? Excellent choice! If I'm not mistaken, the same magazine works for the #6 and #8 Glenwoods. I have all the dimensions. When you get your #8 we can measure the top flange and height above the fire and see is that's correct...

dj
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:51 am

Blessed are the peacemakers.
... for they shall inherit the best base heaters. :) You can keep the rest of the earth.

Ahh, my metallurgist genius friend is awake and listening. David, rather than send a PM can you share those dimensions with the board. What a great addition to the knowledge base that would be. Where can I get it cast? Perhaps I can get one cast for you whilst I am at it. After all, knowledge is power. I think I have the draft for it.

So I arrive at my destination. I tend once a day even in severe weather. As per the William video no 6 I tend once every morning once I have dialed it in. I estimate that given 5 spare minutes a day I can tend both stoves as they will be side by side and punch out up to 200,000 btu of super cheap heat and that is more than I will ever need at that location. I learned last winter that 100,000 was not enough. Also thx to the youtube videos and the ease of tending the AnthraKing, I can teach Bozo the clown to operate it all and I have redundancy. Best of all if the power goes out (as it will) I will bet I can still punch out a lot of heat AND cook breakfast on the stove. I know from the AnthraKing that I can control the temperature to about a degree or two. How can life get any better? :junmp:

Next stage is to set up my version of a double heater to the upstairs using a motorless Ebay castoff SS kitchen vent. Yes, convection works just fine and Venturi is my friend too. Coalland is funland. I still have two more base heaters to spread heat around the rest of this oversized monster I cohabit. As I have said my plan is to reduce coal usage 40% and save a lot of electricity.
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Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:54 am

How big is the smallest firepot in your stove arsenal?
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Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:11 am

How big is the smallest firepot in your stove arsenal?


I do have my tiny Jotul 507 (12") and Invader 2 (10") but they are for decorative status only at the moment. However, you usually ask questions for a reason ... so what's up.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:46 am

You didn't say that you wanted to use the same size coal in all your hand fired equipment, but I assume you do. Anytime you use a single size of coal in difference types/sizes of equipment, it is a compromise of some sort. Stove size coal would be ideal for the #8, but not for the smaller stoves. If you wanted to pick a size that would work in all your hand fired equipment, nut seems like the best compromise. My thinking is that the capacity of the #8 will not be taxed, and it will run happily at moderate output levels with nut coal.

With that said, your smaller stoves might run ok with stove size coal. It also depends on the depth of the firepot and configuration. Generally speaking the use of "oversize" coal in a given firepot results in inefficient use of combustion air and a more difficult balance between keeping the fire alive and not running the stove hotter than desired. I know the antique stoves are more flexible in that regard, but there is still a trade off when you move up or down from the size coal that the designers had in mind.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:44 am

I agree with Rob.

In literature I have, Glenwood says to use stove coal size for their kitchen ranges. With their shallow fireboxes (about 6 inch deep) it makes it easier maintaining higher cooking temps and quicker response when needing temperature changes.

But, the trade off is that with stove coal there was a need for sooner fire tending.

For just using the range for heating, because the stove coal wants to burn faster and it also has less coal density in that size firebox, it won't burn near as long as when it is filled with nut coal. And because it wants to burn so much more quickly with stove coal, the dampers really have to be closed down just to keep it at day-time heat settings. Because of the stronger draft, plus the primary air feeds in under one side of the firebox, starving it for air as one of the main ways to slow it down, I found caused less complete burning of the coal near the firebox walls.

Again, as Rob says the nut coal is a good compromise. Especially if you want to run a big stove slowly.

And depending on how strong your draft is, you may not need do some customizing of coal size - just like some guys find a mix of stove and nut works better for their setup.

I don't think anyone can give you the answers you want. Experimenting with coal sizes in your stove and setup is the only place the answers are going to come from.

You'll just have to fire that baby up and see what she tells ya !!! :D

Paul
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:03 am

I don't think you can extrapolate from a range to an Oak style fire pot. The Oak has adequate fire pot depth for stove size and the relatively large grate gaps are more suited to the stove size.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:26 am

franco b wrote:I don't think you can extrapolate from a range to an Oak style fire pot. The Oak has adequate fire pot depth for stove size and the relatively large grate gaps are more suited to the stove size.


Franco,
I only mention it as a more extreme example of what can happen. Sometimes it's easier for some to understand the whats and whys by using methods that magnify the affects and observing what happens.

The Glenwood ranges use the same type triangular coal grates as the #6 and the Modern Oaks and they are very close in grate tooth size and spacing, because like the BB's and the Oaks, the ranges are designed for stove coal. And like the BB's they are designed to extract as much heat from the flue gasses as possible. It may upset some to hear it, but a range is also base heater. :D

However, unlike the Oaks, they are not designed to run a long time on stove coal, but instead to burn it quickly. A lot can be learned about early stoves and how coal sizes preform by looking at both types of stoves and seeing what's alike and what's not.

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: dlj On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:52 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
David, rather than send a PM can you share those dimensions with the board. What a great addition to the knowledge base that would be. Where can I get it cast?


Simon, OK, let me find my notes and such...

dj
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Baseheater #6
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: dlj On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:57 pm

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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: dlj On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:05 pm

So the drawing above is not too good. I'd take my diameter dimensions and run them down to my lower limit, then place that dimensional limit back on the part. The original magazine was not straight sided as per this drawing, I drew this for an idiot to make it out of sheet metal, who then did an idiot job of it, and I was more of an idiot to actually pay him for it... Good grief... That was one of my proverbial screw-ups.... anyway, I digress.... (and vented a bit)... The dimensions along the top are pretty good. Like I say, I'd shave them down a hair. The original had a curve (sorta bell shaped), so the bottom was the dimension (approximately) to the diameter I have on the drawing.... I believe the original had two screws holding the two sides together on each side top and bottom... (four screws total)

I'd love to have a cast magazine for my Glenwood... tomahawk could do it, or any of the various foundries that have been talked about on the board...

dj
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Castings Resolute
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Baseheater #6
Coal Size/Type: Stove coal
Other Heating: Oil Furnace, electric space heaters

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:17 pm

Neat, thanks dlj.


I'll have to measure my 118's to see if that 19 inch height works for them also.

Now, if only we had one to use as a pattern. :)

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood range 208, # 6 base heater, 2 Modern Oak 118.
Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
Other Heating: Oil &electric plenum furnace

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