Glenwood #8 long burn

Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:57 pm

Franco,

So, your saying that, even through they are the same depth from flange to the firepot, the 118 Modern Oak, which has a 4 inch wider diameter firepot than a #6 BB, should have a shorter magazine than the #6 ?

Paul
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:04 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Franco,

So, your saying that, even through they are the same depth from flange to the firepot, the 118 Modern Oak, which has a 4 inch wider diameter firepot than a #6 BB, should have a shorter magazine than the #6 ?

Paul

With the same distance above the fire pot either the 118 fire pot will not be full or the no. 6 will be over full.

They might have different heights though if the barrel of the 118 is higher than the no. 6 which would raise the magazine higher even if the magazines were identical.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:34 pm

franco b wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:Franco,

So, your saying that, even through they are the same depth from flange to the firepot, the 118 Modern Oak, which has a 4 inch wider diameter firepot than a #6 BB, should have a shorter magazine than the #6 ?

Paul

With the same distance above the fire pot either the 118 fire pot will not be full or the no. 6 will be over full.

They might have different heights though if the barrel of the 118 is higher than the no. 6 which would raise the magazine higher even if the magazines were identical.


6 posts back, I posted the measurement showing they are the same height.

So, maybe the larger diameter firepot stoves had the mag shortened ? Then the questions is, were they cast shorter, or cut down after casting to fill orders ?

Paul
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:20 pm

I would think it is like shoveling a pile of dirt. The higher it gets the more it spreads out.
I can't see shortening the bottom since it is the heavier thicker part to withstand the heat and the top can't be changed. Also the size of coal makes a difference. You could also experiment with a small approximate scale model and some sand to observe effects of height versus diameter.

If Pancho comes up with stainless tube it might work very well at least to determine feeding height. To use as a pattern for cast it could be built up with fiberglass to get the thickness. Anneal the top and form the flare.

The Glenwood 114 has 7 inch clear opening by 19 inches to top of fire pot. Also has places for register tabs on magazine.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:20 pm

I don't think sand would be a good replacement for how coal will mound up. It moves to easily and would run out at a much shallower angle. I shovel sand into small mounds quite a bit in my job when loading my sandblaster. It will not pile up as easily as coal.

Here's my #6 pot with 50 pounds of nut coal mounded up. This is about as steep an angle as it would go without pieces running down the mound angle.

At about where the mound would be near to the 7 inch plus diameter, looks to be about where the two inch shorter length of the magazine would wind up- that dlj mentions in his notes.

So yeah, change the height, or widths and it throws off the angle that the coal will stay mounded at. Too high, or too wide and you could wind up with burning coal over the top of the pot liner and up against the sheet metal barrel. So much for, "one size fits all."

Paul
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:10 pm

Yes, I agree. I only mentioned sand to demonstrate the principle.

Another plus of a magazine is to move the flue gas closer to the sides for more effective heat exchange.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: dlj On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:24 am

My Vermont has a magazine. You don't have to shake to get the coal down, it drops as the coal below it burns. It notably extends burn times. I've never had coal get stuck in it.That's been my experience anyway...

dj
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: dlj On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:29 pm

OK all, how many people want a magazine for their Glenwood? I spoke to Gary and we'll probably have to pay him some to have him send his original Glenwood magazine out to Tomahawk and have however many we want made. He told me he did this twice. Once he had two of them made and says Tomahawk did such a nice job, he sent it back out again and had them do two more because they did such a nice job. These fit the 116, 119, #6 and #8 to his knowledge. He has four stoves so he uses them in all four.

I told him I'd call back in about a week and let him know how many we'd get. He'll send his original out to Tomahawk and get the number we want cast up. When he had it done a few years ago, he wasn't sure how much it cost but thought it would be under $200.00 each. Not sure how this all gets worked out, I'm getting two... Let me know who else is in and how many they want. Probably best to just send me a PM....

dj
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:19 am

dlj wrote:OK all, how many people want a magazine for their Glenwood? I spoke to Gary and we'll probably have to pay him some to have him send his original Glenwood magazine out to Tomahawk and have however many we want made. He told me he did this twice. Once he had two of them made and says Tomahawk did such a nice job, he sent it back out again and had them do two more because they did such a nice job. These fit the 116, 119, #6 and #8 to his knowledge. He has four stoves so he uses them in all four.

I told him I'd call back in about a week and let him know how many we'd get. He'll send his original out to Tomahawk and get the number we want cast up. When he had it done a few years ago, he wasn't sure how much it cost but thought it would be under $200.00 each. Not sure how this all gets worked out, I'm getting two... Let me know who else is in and how many they want. Probably best to just send me a PM....

dj


If they are in that price area each, I'll take two.

Wow! He uses all four?

Hey, coalnewbie, see how it's done ? :D Looks like you'll need a bunch of mags to save you stove tending time like Gary's doing. :D

Paul
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:24 am

WOW, a #8 with a magazine, I'm salivating. Thx Dave. 24 hours between tending in just about any weather. Big super efficient coal heater and damned cute. I just can't wait. Thx to all you guys that made it possible. Now I have to get in a bigger load of great quality nut and learn to control the damned thing.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:31 am

Just added up the volume of a 7 inch id cylinder, 19-1/2 inches long - roughly what these magazines are. That's over 100 cubic inches more coal than the firebox of my kitchen range. :shock:

That will add about 50% more coal inside my #6 BB.

Paul
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:45 am

OK, so very few were bought and practically none survived. I understand the need for little more draft but what is the downside other than that. It sounds too good to be true but my Hitzer hopper works great. I have a hopper in my Invader 2 and Garnet that I have not used yet. I'm pumped but where is the catch.
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:04 am

I've wondered that too, but so far, no one can answer why there aren't more Glenwood magazines surviving. And, also so far, it hasn't been established if magazines were standard issue, or just an optional piece.

I have seen a few other brands of parlor stoves with magazines.

Maybe it's a regional thing ? There are very few coal Glenwood ranges. The vast majority that I see have wood grates. If the same holds true for Glenwood parlors and they were used for wood, there's no need for a magazine.

The 118 I just bought in Maine, even though it has the back pipe, as far as I can tell, it never had coal grates in it. The rear grate frame hangers were never installed.

Maybe those old New Englanders were just too fugal ? :D

Paul
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: PJT On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:09 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:I've wondered that too, but so far, no one can answer why there aren't more Glenwood magazines surviving. And, also so far, it hasn't been established if magazines were standard issue, or just an optional piece.

I have seen a few other brands of parlor stoves with magazines.

Maybe it's a regional thing ? There are very few coal Glenwood ranges. The vast majority that I see have wood grates. If the same

Maybe those old New Englanders were just too fugal ? :D

Paul


More like tighter than the bark on a tree....tighter than the skin on a drum....so tight that when they walked, their underwear squeaked.....and I can say that since Im a 12th generation New Englander...... ;)
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Re: Glenwood #8 long burn

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:41 am

Tightness is a credible characteristic, frugality however has practical limits.

If, like me, you were stupid enough to buy a 7000 sq ft leakbox but have the opportunity to heat it with three super efficient base heaters with a super cheap fuel that is going down in price or at the very least is stable, what is that worth? Now a device comes along that will assist in allowing 24 hour tending in just about any weather then paying the entry ticket (within limits) is smart business. Perhaps not frugal but smart. Sometimes we have to pay for lifes stupid mistakes. :)
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