Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: Maro On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:02 am

I installed a Hitzer 50-93 in my foyer last fall and loved it :D except that it was sometimes too hot to use on moderate days. I believe this is a case of uneven heat distribution due the location of the stove and the configuration of my older home (it's a 1925 four square with 1400 Sq. Ft. of living space). I am therefore contemplating re-installing it in the basement so I can distribute the heat more evenly as well as heat my basement. Because of the configuration of my home I am fairly sure that simply keeping my basement door open won't suffice. Actually it will probably make the heat distribution issue worse. Thus I would have to tie the heat from the 50-93 into my gas forced air furnace distribution box above the plenum. The gas furnace is a new high efficiency model and it's vented with PVC pipe which frees up my brick chimney (which will have the proper SS liner installed). In lieu of all this I was wondering if the 50-93 could safely be shrouded for this type of installation? Has anyone out there ever tried this with a 50-93? :?
Maro
 
Coal Size/Type: Nut
Other Heating: Gravity fed hopper
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 50-93

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:11 am

You could leave the stove where it is & run the furnace fan 24/7 on a low speed to distribute the hot air evenly thru the house. Or, you can install in the basement to your brick chimney (NO stainless liner needed) ,make a shroud to hook to the furnace duct work & again run the furnace fan on low speed 24/7. Repeat , you do not need a stainless liner in your brick chimney unless half of the bricks are missing & even then it would be cheaper & longer lasting to fix the brick chimney. Coal gas & stainless stacks do not make for a long term relationship with each other. Masonry chimneys & coal gas will out live you.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:30 am

To add to what Dave said.

Before you have the chimney lined do a search on this site about SS chimney liners and how poorly some hold up to coal use. You may be wasting a lot of money.

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: JohnB On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:46 pm

There are stainless liners rated for coal (316TI) & if your old chimney is unlined you will either have to install a stainless liner or flue liner. I have to wonder how many of the "my stainless liner didn't last" posts were about the modern multi layer stainless liners actually rated for coal use???? Lots of cheap single ply non TI stainless liners out there.

As for building a shroud to capture the heat over the 50-93 how would you access the hopper feed on top? Can't install a few old fashioned grates in the 1st floor to allow the heat to come upstairs?
JohnB
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Hitzer 50-93

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:56 pm

Hi Maro and welcome to the forum, some pictures of the gas furnace plenum would be helpful but before anyone jumps the gun one of our members heats a fairly large, chopped up, older farm house with the same stove but with better results and one of the factors is air movement. Have you thought of installing one or two ceiling fans? There are many different small doorway style fans available. Homes have a natural air current based on many different factors and finding yours is important before spending money and ripping things out...believe me I've tried a couple and my solution was reached when I got the right stove! I have a stove in my basement that I use in the deep freeze along with my living room stove, and alone in the shoulder months. I made a plenum above it and connected it to the return air of my oil furnace system. When the stove blower is on the warm air exits the return vents in the rooms above this way if the furnace ever comes on, (rarely only when mother-in-law is visiting), the air going to the furnace is heated to approx 180* by the coal stove and the furnace runs very little.
Because my basement is NOT insulated I loose many-a-btu through the walls and floor so my stove in the living room gives me the bang for the buck. If your basement is not insulated then maybe a different location in your living space is better. I can't answer your questions directly but I can explain my trails blindfolded.
I realize you have a hopper so room above the stove is needed unless you removed the hopper and loaded through the front door thus adding more attention to the stove. Good luck and keep us posted.
Mike.
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Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:53 am

JohnB wrote:There are stainless liners rated for coal (316TI) & if your old chimney is unlined you will either have to install a stainless liner or flue liner. I have to wonder how many of the "my stainless liner didn't last" posts were about the modern multi layer stainless liners actually rated for coal use???? Lots of cheap single ply non TI stainless liners out there.


Really? Everyone that posted that that "my stainless liner didn't last" used the wrong liner and NO ONE figured that out?

Really?

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.
blrman07
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
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Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:00 am

blrman07 wrote:
JohnB wrote:There are stainless liners rated for coal (316TI) & if your old chimney is unlined you will either have to install a stainless liner or flue liner. I have to wonder how many of the "my stainless liner didn't last" posts were about the modern multi layer stainless liners actually rated for coal use???? Lots of cheap single ply non TI stainless liners out there.


Really? Everyone that posted that that "my stainless liner didn't last" used the wrong liner and NO ONE figured that out?

Really?
:clap: toothy --you da man Larry! Basement w/ floor vents should do the trick nicely w/ 1400 sq.--MA, how much space are you heating?
Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.

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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:04 am

To John's point, there are good chimney liners and crap chimney liners. None of them last as long as a masonry chimney, but some are definitely better than others.

With that said, how is Maro going to move that heat around? seems counter productive to have a hand-fed stove that requires blowers and fans to move the heat.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: JohnB On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:11 am

blrman07 wrote:
Really? Everyone that posted that that "my stainless liner didn't last" used the wrong liner and NO ONE figured that out?

Really?

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.


Most of the posts I've read gave no information about the specific liner used. How many of these guys actually used a liner made from 316ti which is the only stainless liner recommended for coal use? I think a lot these guys just used a standard wood liner, some of which aren't even 316 stainless & I'm sure it dissolved as claimed. If you have some facts proving that isn't the case then post them.
JohnB
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Hitzer 50-93

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:57 am

[quote="Rob R."]........................With that said, how is Maro going to move that heat around? seems counter productive to have a hand-fed stove that requires blowers and fans to move the heat.[/quote]

Good point Rob R. like I was eluding too, it took me a couple tries and a couple bucks (700.00 to be exact) to find the right stove and location. I am not sure if Maro was here when he jumped into coal and his stove. It also took me a year of reading and talking to others on the forum to get the proper stove for my home. Heating a basement that is not insulated was frustrating at best so pushing the heat with the stove blower helps as an extra or mild temps. The true winner is in my living room Vigilant 2310, no blower required. Twice I had the perfect stove for the wrong house...oh well live and learn. I can sell my other two.

Someone asked how much space I'm heating: about 1100 sq ft.
michaelanthony
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant 2310, gold marc box, vogelzang pot belly coat rack
Coal Size/Type: Pea, and a little nut
Other Heating: Very cold FHA oil furnace

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:24 pm

JohnB wrote:
blrman07 wrote:
Really? Everyone that posted that that "my stainless liner didn't last" used the wrong liner and NO ONE figured that out?

Really?

Rev. Larry
New Beginning Church
Ashland Pa.


Most of the posts I've read gave no information about the specific liner used. How many of these guys actually used a liner made from 316ti which is the only stainless liner recommended for coal use? I think a lot these guys just used a standard wood liner, some of which aren't even 316 stainless & I'm sure it dissolved as claimed. If you have some facts proving that isn't the case then post them.


Yeah, how shall he move that heat around is the matter at hand. ;)
McGiever
 
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Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:18 pm

Floor vents---heat rises for those who wondered. ;)
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:19 pm

Moving the heat is only 1 matter, # 2 matter is the fact that Maro said his "brick chimney will have the proper ss liner installed". He has not yet told us if his brick chimney is totally unlined & 12 x24 or if it has a round 8 " clay liner. If the chimney in question has a clay liner,it would be pure stupidity to install a ss liner just because someone wants money to sell & install a liner that WILL NOT last as long as a clay liner.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:11 pm

Just a side note--the clay liner does not have to be round, it just has to be there.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Hitzer 50-93 basement instalation?

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:54 am

freetown fred wrote:Floor vents---heat rises for those who wondered. ;)



That's half of it. Gotta have more vents for cold air to sink - if it can't, then hot air can't rise ! ;)

Don't laugh. Lots of folks forget that half. They only put in one floor vent, even a big one, .... and then wonder why no hot air is coming up ?

Now you can laugh ! :D

Paul
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Anthracite Industrial, domestic hot water heater
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Coal Size/Type: Nuts !
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