Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:19 am

Hello All - Hope everyone's having a great summer! It's going by fast!!

My wife and I made the trip to see Emery on Saturday to pick up our Crawford No. 3, which he had finally finished. Had a nice trip down but ran into heavy rain on the south shore. Emery's yard was awash, but we had a very nice visit. Got to see some really nice pieces in the shop, including a massive Magee base heater and a Crawford No.4. He told my wife he'd hired a guy part time and was not booking for a while, to get caught up.

So, we loaded the No. 3 in the rain, wrapped it with a tarp and bungees and blasted back to New Hampshire.

I unloaded the stove yesterday and have it inside the house on a carpet dolly. Emery did a great job on it. Wilson is busy restoring our No. 2. It will be interesting to compare the two side by side and see the different restorations.

I'll post pictures when I get the No. 3 set in place.

Chris
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood No. 6, Crawford No.2 & 3, Hub Heater 115, City Glenwood 12
Other Heating: Oil
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood S & A Stewart etc
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 6 , Acme Carbon, Hub Heatr

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:31 am

Chris what is wrong with you? You saw a Crawford #4 and an unusual Magee and did not take pics, that is a violation of board rules.
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Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:37 am

Sorry Simon - The weather was so bad (kind of like the UK!), we just wanted to have a short visit, get the stove secured and head home.

The No. 4 looked a bit bigger than my No. 3. Other than that, they looked the same.

Cheers Mate - Chris
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood No. 6, Crawford No.2 & 3, Hub Heater 115, City Glenwood 12
Other Heating: Oil
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Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:05 am

OK, you are excused this one time only. You will be forgiven only if we eventually see a comparison photo of the #2 and #3..... and of course the #4 when you buy it.

Think man think, a photo of a #2, #3 and #4 all in one photo. Unique in the annals of coal stovedom. Fame, fortune, TV interviews. Being a star at the annual picnic. William sobbing into his Applejacks at he gazes on your #4. All for a few lousy dollars. Come on man, be courageous.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93,
Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:15 pm

Excellent. I'm glad you got it home safely. You are going to love both stoves.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: scalabro On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:04 pm

coalnewbie wrote:OK, you are excused this one time only. You will be forgiven only if we eventually see a comparison photo of the #2 and #3..... and of course the #4 when you buy it.

Think man think, a photo of a #2, #3 and #4 all in one photo. Unique in the annals of coal stovedom. Fame, fortune, TV interviews. Being a star at the annual picnic. William sobbing into his Applejacks at he gazes on your #4. All for a few lousy dollars. Come on man, be courageous.


Excuse me, that #4 is spoken for...lol!
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Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford 40, PP Stewart No. 14 in the works.
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Anthracite
Other Heating: Oil fired forced hot air

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:10 pm

Of course, now I see why the #2 is going. LOL with the stove, I am sure it is going to be great. Where on earth did you find that gem? Do you have any before eye candy for a bored summer coalie. I would settle for a #2 and #4 side by side photo.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: LL AnthraKing 180K, Pocono110K,KStokr 90K, DVC
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Baseburners & Antiques: Invader 2 Wings Best, Glenwood #8 + Herald 116x
Coal Size/Type: Rice, Chestnut
Other Heating: Heating Oil CH, Toyotomi OM 22

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:22 pm

Simon - If memory serves me, I found the No. 3 on CL near Northampton Mass., back in September. The owner was hard to reach, so I needed a lot of patience. I finally reached him and my wife and I went out to get it on a beautiful early Fall day - $50.00.

At the same time, there were actually two No. 2's for sale in Russell Mass. - near where I got the No. 3. OneDollar encouraged me to get one of them, as did Craw4. I got the No. 2 (cheaper one) for $200.00.

I posted my story here and got a few negative comments about buying cheap, incomplete stoves - bad idea - wait for a complete one - for more money!

It's been a lot of fun finding these relics and watching them be brought back from the brink. My advice to newbies is if you find a big name base heater for very short money - grab it - even if it's missing parts. The restorers still have large parts dumps where they pick parts. That's what's happened with my Crawfords. Of course, these parts are dwindling. Also - avoid bad breaks and cracks, if possible.

Unfortunately for William, Emery says his Glenwood monster BH (I can't remember the number) is still incomplete - but he's still looking and it's going to be a beauty!

Chris
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood No. 6, Crawford No.2 & 3, Hub Heater 115, City Glenwood 12
Other Heating: Oil
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood S & A Stewart etc
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 6 , Acme Carbon, Hub Heatr

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:42 pm

chrisbuick wrote:Simon - If memory serves me, I found the No. 3 on CL near Northampton Mass., back in September. The owner was hard to reach, so I needed a lot of patience. I finally reached him and my wife and I went out to get it on a beautiful early Fall day - $50.00.

At the same time, there were actually two No. 2's for sale in Russell Mass. - near where I got the No. 3. OneDollar encouraged me to get one of them, as did Craw4. I got the No. 2 (cheaper one) for $200.00.

I posted my story here and got a few negative comments about buying cheap, incomplete stoves - bad idea - wait for a complete one - for more money!

It's been a lot of fun finding these relics and watching them be brought back from the brink. My advice to newbies is if you find a big name base heater for very short money - grab it - even if it's missing parts. The restorers still have large parts dumps where they pick parts. That's what's happened with my Crawfords. Of course, these parts are dwindling. Also - avoid bad breaks and cracks, if possible.

Unfortunately for William, Emery says his Glenwood monster BH (I can't remember the number) is still incomplete - but he's still looking and it's going to be a beauty!

Chris


Some day that stove will be completed. In the meantime I have the modern series version of it.
Now as great as the sense of fulfillment you have received by saving these stoves is. Just wait until they pay you back for you saving them. In January you will realize just how wonderful they are and just how smart you have been. A sudden cold chill will come across your mind when you briefly consider that you might have missed out on having one of the best stove designs ever made.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:48 am

Thanks William - I agree completely about the potential of these Crawfords and I know you have a lot of experience with them.

I do have a question, which I should have asked Emery, but forgot in all the rush to stay dry Saturday:

The pull lever/ check damper below the back pipe - is that just a check damper, or does it have an additional function? My understanding is that when you flip the lever at the top of the back pipe to indirect draft, that puts the stove in base heater mode.

Am I correct?

Also - how often do the passages and lower base need to be cleaned during daily use? I know allot of these base heaters were NEVER cleaned properly in the old days. Both of my Crawfords were packed with soot, especially in the lower base under the lift out plate.

Thanks for everyone's help and comments - Chris
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood No. 6, Crawford No.2 & 3, Hub Heater 115, City Glenwood 12
Other Heating: Oil
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood S & A Stewart etc
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 6 , Acme Carbon, Hub Heatr

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: wsherrick On: Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:08 am

chrisbuick wrote:Thanks William - I agree completely about the potential of these Crawfords and I know you have a lot of experience with them.

I do have a question, which I should have asked Emery, but forgot in all the rush to stay dry Saturday:

The pull lever/ check damper below the back pipe - is that just a check damper, or does it have an additional function? My understanding is that when you flip the lever at the top of the back pipe to indirect draft, that puts the stove in base heater mode.

Am I correct?

Also - how often do the passages and lower base need to be cleaned during daily use? I know allot of these base heaters were NEVER cleaned properly in the old days. Both of my Crawfords were packed with soot, especially in the lower base under the lift out plate.

Thanks for everyone's help and comments - Chris


I'm telling you: by March of next year you will never think of ever parting with them. I won't say anymore, because you will be excited to tell us all about them.
Now.
The damper at the top exhaust is the base heating valve. You close it to put the stove in base burner mode. After you learn how to operate the stove you will rarely ever have it running in direct draft except to start a new fire or refuel.

You are correct the sliding damper under the back pipe is the check damper. You will soon learn when and how to use it. Remember that the check damper must be closed when starting the fire or reloading.
The check damper is also very handy at keeping dust out of the house. By opening the check damper when you shake or mess with fire having that open will pull all of the dust up the stack instead of in the house. With a little practice your routine maintenance will be extremely neat with this feature.

I clean out the base heating chambers in both stoves in June when they are finally shut down. It isn't necessary to clean them more often unless you keep throwing coal over the top of the fire pot into the base heating chamber.
I inspect them maybe once or twice during the heating season to make sure they are not getting clogged up. Just don't forget about it.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glenwood Base Heater, Crawford Base Heater
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford Base Heater, Glenwood, Stanley Argand
Coal Size/Type: Chestnut, Stove Size

Re: Picked Up Our Crawford No.3 Saturday

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:25 am

William - Thanks for your advice. You confirmed what I thought were the BH procedures.

I ran my Hub Heater last season which, while not a BH (oak circulator) is indirect draft and has a check damper. It has a huge firebox. I used stove coal in it and had trouble with cranking my pyramid grates. They were almost always jammed with small coal bits. I went back to nut coal and got great burns. I love that stove as well. Having to stock both nut and stove coal is a pain. I'm not sure what I'll do (what's best-of course).

Thanks - Chris
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Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood No. 6, Crawford No.2 & 3, Hub Heater 115, City Glenwood 12
Other Heating: Oil
Stove/Furnace Make: Glenwood S & A Stewart etc
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 6 , Acme Carbon, Hub Heatr

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