Petit Godin 3271 restore

Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: Gorgonzola On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:37 pm

I purchased my house about three years ago. The previous owner had a Petit Godin 3271 sitting outside on the property. At the time, I asked if they were taking the stove with them, or if they were going to leave it. They said they were going to scrap it, but if I wanted it they would leave it. Three years later it is still sitting in the same place. I never knew the history of these stoves until I did a google search a few weeks ago. I cant imagine scrapping the stove. The craftsmanship is top notch and I am throwing around the idea of restoring it. Being outside for so long, it has a lot surface rust on the outside sleeve and most of the screws, bolts, etc., are rusted, but these are all things that I am sure I can fix. The mica is also torn, which I know I can replace (already found a 6" x 6" sheet on ebay). I printed out a service manual I found on Godin's site but it is in French. If anyone has the manual for this stove, in English, I would really appreciate a copy. Just looking for any recommendations regarding the rust issue and what the best method for painting the stove would be.
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:47 pm

Nice project G. Pix---we gotta have PIX--before, during & finished :) Have fun with her my friend PS--welcome to the FORUM--FYI--you COULD finish your profile---I promise, nobody'll steal ya :clap: toothy
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: Gorgonzola On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:53 pm

Hey Fred, thanks for the quick reply. I will take some pics tonight and post them! Itching to get started with this project :D
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:19 pm

I still have a BUNCH of Godins (two Petits and 3 Grands) - plus original lit. I want to sell some of the stoves. They're easy to run, but very dirty. Don't shake the grates too much as they can break, as Emery will tell you. They're good stoves - I used them for 6 years, before I got into Glenwoods, Crawfords and Stewarts, which are still better.

Please let me know how I can help.

Chris
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: Gorgonzola On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:20 pm

Thanks Chris, I am definitely gonna need some help. I noticed that the base on mine above the feet is not enamel. Does that say something about the age of this stove? Noticed allot of 3271s online that had enamel bases.
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:25 pm

No Problem - I have some stoves where the rings are all enamel and some where the base and top ring are unfinished. Just different production run changes. These are still mass produced.

Please take pics of grate and fold - out ash door. Also, the condition of the fire brick. I would strongly suggest removing the top assembly which unbolts.

For a Grand Godin - Carefully remove the square nuts ( a little difficult) clean everything and bed the plate well in stove cement. The tops can leak and let excess soot into the area, which cuts performance and keeps things cleaner.

Re-attach the top plate with stainless lock washers and hex nuts for use with a socket wrench. It's A LOT easier to bolt back down.

This might not be necessary for a Petit Godin, but for your weathered stove, it's a good idea.

Check the shaker bar where it attached to the grate for strength and make sure it's well attached.

That's about it - these stoves are NOT air tight, but they hard to screw up - perfect for a beginner.

Hope this helps - Chris
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: Gorgonzola On: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:55 pm

As promised guys, I took some pictures today of the stove. Thanks for all the advice so far. Keep it coming. Many of the hardware is rusty. What is best way you have found to remove the rust?
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:35 am

OK - Great pics - that's a Grand Godin, not a Petite. My lit with the model numbers is filed away.

It looks to be in excellent condition. The fire brick looks to not have had much use. As I said yesterday, remove the square nuts holding the top assembly and remove it. Wire brush/clean everything and re-bed it securely in stove cement, using stainless lock washers and hex nuts to reattach.

Check the grate pull ring out. The rings can detach from the rod - it's happened to me. Also, adjust the screw in latch, which secures the ash door tightly. Check-out the door gasket - I replaced mine - as well as the mica.

Carefully turn the stove upside down and clean the underside and paint it as well as reattach the feet so they don't move around - possible damage.

There are rust neutralizers made for the cylinder corrosion. Sometimes auto parts stores like Auto Zone sell them. You can try that on the cylinder to remove the rust. Otherwise, use coarse steel wool and a hand wire brush. Chemically clean the metal before applying finish.

New Godins had a semi-gloss (not matte) cylinder finish. I recommend Krylon Rust Tough R00769 Hi Temp Black over Thumalox 270, which is too matte.

On my Grands, which have non-porcelainized bases and rings, I sprayed them as well - your choice. Make sure you mask-off the porcelain really well.

I notice there is a sizing collar on the direct exhaust outlet. That increases the outlet size, and should be removable, if you want to go down to a 5" outlet. Keep it - they're hard to find.

Is there an ash pan and lift tool with the stove? The cast iron lift tool has a hook for lifting the lid and a wrench for opening the spin draft on the door. There's no secondary draft on this stove - which is one of its faults. Sometimes these tools and pans pop up on eBay. The ash pan is great to have, but I always opened the grate door and cleaned out the ash/clinkers directly, without the fire collapsing from above (not easy). This can make a lot of fly ash, but it saves the flimsy grate. Emery Pineo (Stove Hospital) has told me he's seen lots of broken Godin grates (they HATE these stoves).

That's really about it. I still like my Godins, and kind of miss their simplicity.

Hope this helps - Chris
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: Serge On: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:50 am

Gorgonzola wrote:Thanks Chris, I am definitely gonna need some help. I noticed that the base on mine above the feet is not enamel. Does that say something about the age of this stove? Noticed allot of 3271s online that had enamel bases.

I had one similar for the last 6 years, these stoves gives good heat. Your stove is probably a 3721. I am sure your stove has baked enamel cast iron base, legs, top decorating cover, door and door frame. These stoves are quite similar since many decade.
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Re: Grand Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: Gorgonzola On: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:29 am

Chris, there is an ash pan and lift tool with the stove. I had the lift tool sitting in some apple cider vinegar overnight, to see if it would help remove the surface rust from the tool. It seems that all of the accessories for the stove are accounted for. I have been unable to open the gate behind the door. It has some heavy rust on it. Didn't really want to force things. I am wondering if I can spray something on it to loosen it up. You are correct about the fire bricks. They are all intact and do not show much wear at all. I am not too sure what the grate pull ring is. I have the service manual but it is all in French. The door gasket is still intact, but maybe I should replace it with some rope gasket?? Where did you purchase the Mica for the stove. I saw sheets on ebay for about $20.00. Is a 6 x6 sheet enough to do the job? What would you use to chemically clean the metal prior to paint? What did you use to mask off the porcelain. One of my biggest fears is getting paint on the porcelain. I was going to remove the door and porcelain plate on the front of the stove when painting, but I didn't know if they would be a pain in the ass to get back on. I am going to leave the outlet alone for now. I really don't know where I am going to deploy this stove yet.
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Re: Petit Godin 3271 restore

PostBy: chrisbuick On: Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:01 pm

I'll take your questions in order:

Spray the grate 'gate' with some PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench penetrating oil - good stuff. You can tap it gently with a hammer potentially to loosen things - not too hard!

On the side of the porcelain grate frame on the front of the stove should be a silver ring, which allows you to rotate the grate inside. Hopefully it hasn't come off and been lost?

Definitely replace the rope gasket with the correct size.

Call Emery at the Stove Hospital about the mica. Ask him where he gets his - they use the best. A nice large piece is best, but you can use two smaller ones because of the grid design of the door.

Clean the bare metal with lacquer thinner and a lit free cloth.

Use blue masking tape to cover the porcelain - Paint Dept - Home Depot.

The door might just lift upwards and off, if the door hinge pins aren't too corroded. Swing it open/closed to 'work' the hinge, if necessary.

DON"T remove the front porcelain Godin logo plate! Who knows how it's secured - opening up a can of worms - just carefully mask it off - use lots of tape.

Chris
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