Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

Re: Where do you get your coal and a going price?

PostBy: jeremysdemo On: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:45 pm

coalcat wrote:Hi Everyone I am new here this is my first post. I work in the coal industry as a buyer of coal (since 1978) I will give you a little of my thoughts on soft vs hard coal. Anthracite is 92-94% carbon 0-2% volatle and remainder ash and moisture bituminous is (in Pennsylvania)18- 20% volatle near Snow Shoe or Somerset and progressively increases as you go west to around 36% at Ohio line. Volatle is the amount of gas in the coal. The lower the volatle the higher the carbon content.
Bituminous will create more of a challange to burn because of the varied characeristics and availability of a consistent product. Coke or free swelling index varies from seam to seam and can cause problems if useing a stoker. Coke is measured from 0 to 9, 9 being full coke (best coals are 9 coke) but a full coke can cause it dome over or cause problems in a stoker system. Anthracite is 0 coke.
I am in the heart of good soft coal but I use anthracite for home heating basically because it is a more predictable fuel with no black smoke (unburnt gases) to deal with.
An old book from our office showed how to hand fire a low vol coal, just pile it in a cone and it will catch and burn, hi vol you fire on one side and then on the other side next firing, if you put it in a cone the gasses being driven off will smother the fire and can cause an explosion.
I am seeing $75-80 for house coal (mine run)


So you are saying it is better to go west a bit to get our bit? so we get higher volatle?

you are scaring me with the whole unburnt gases and explosions....is this stuff safe for home use?

Which leads to another question, can you run anthracite in a bit stoker?

Oh my day just went from good to mediocre.

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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: gambler On: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:18 pm

jeremysdemo wrote:you are scaring me with the whole unburnt gases and explosions....is this stuff safe for home use?


Many people use bit in my area (western Pa) to heat their homes. Usually they use a hand fired boiler or furnace. I would not be afraid to use a stoker that was designed to burn bit coal.
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: Berlin On: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:22 pm

"you are scaring me with the whole unburnt gases and explosions....is this stuff safe for home use"


all coal and even wood can have the volitle gases randomly ignite and cause "puffs" i wouldn't necessarily use the word explosions. of course it's safe for home use! much of the world heats with bituminous coal, think about the far more dangerous fuels used to heat most homes in america... natural gas, propane etc.

either way the only concerns about "puff-backs" are in hand fired stoves, not in STOKERS like the one you have. stokers also produce little to no smoke/smell that hand fired bituminous stoves produce.
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: jeremysdemo On: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:12 pm

Oh that's good to hear, guys :)

Bagged bit is hard to come my in my area, the two closest places that have it are Pocono Summit and Reading, but I am working on routing a guy at my warehouse to pick up a pallet or two.

Everyone in the coal industry have been very kind and helpful to me, even the places that only sell anthracite wished me the best of luck getting this thing going (although a few did try to persuade me you could use anthracite in the stoker, for twice the price :) )

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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: Jimmy On: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:42 pm

We Live in NW Missouri and we have been burning Bit coal for about 3 years. We have been buying it in bulk (loose) directly from the mine from Phoenix Coal Company in Vinita OK. They are very nice and easy to work with. The only gripe I have is the price, it has gone up this year from $70 a ton to a whopping $120.00 a ton. I have purchased some anthracite coal in bags this week from a local dealer in Jamesport Missouri and am very happy with it, but it is also expensive at 6.50 a 40lb bag. The anthracite seems to burn about 4 times longer but not as hot. I believe I could get through the year with about 70 bags if I go that way.

Comparing the price Phoenix is charging with other posts for loose coal it seems they are about 2 times as high for bit coal.

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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: Berlin On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:50 am

being from chillicothe, mo, i think vinita ok is much too far to go for coal that's expensive and probably not any better than coal from illinois or missouri. i have a list of mines in that area i will see if i can find it and post some sources possibly closer to you.
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: riderman On: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:47 pm

Danville OH, $130 a ton picked up.
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: Jimmy On: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:59 am

Thanks. Yah if i could find a mine closer I would probably get it there so any info you could give would be great. Whats sad is there is an old abandon coal mine about 1 mile from my house in Winston, MO. And I have to drive 3 hrs to get coal. Its crazy. My dad told me to get a pick and a light and get to work :lol:
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: 4570FAN On: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:05 pm

Where is the closest place that you guys know of to get bituminous nut size coal to Allegany County, NY? I have a Mark III that I would like to try it in.
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Re: Where do you get your coal and a going price?

PostBy: bigcasino215 On: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:10 pm

bccdmmom wrote:Hi, I am trying to find a place to buy coal in Iowa. Thanks, Viki


Ames, IA Sky Coal He is near the Carlos O'kellys Resturant. I don;t have his number but I just talked to hime on Nov 3, 2008.

$195.00 per ton Bitomous from E. Kentucky
$9.00 per 50 lb bagged Anthrocite

email me for his number

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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: bigcasino215 On: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:17 pm

Berlin wrote:being from chillicothe, mo, i think vinita ok is much too far to go for coal that's expensive and probably not any better than coal from illinois or missouri. i have a list of mines in that area i will see if i can find it and post some sources possibly closer to you.


i am from NW iowa, and travel down to jeff city MO often, where are the mines near Chillicothe.
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: dangit On: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:44 pm

Good source of bit out of the Harlan, KY mines is from Kincaid Coal Co. in Thorn Hill, TN. $85 a ton, phone 767-2900. Excellent source for lump coal that burns well with low vols, low smoke and NO sulpur smell. I did not see a skid loader so you will have to handpick the pile but the owner will usually help you load. There are smaller sizes you can shovel.
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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: Robby On: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:53 pm

Dodds Coal Mine.Bituminous. $39.00 metric ton (2200 lbs). Oiled is a couple of bucks more per ton.

very low sulpher, medium volitiles. Steady quality each year.

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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: jeremysdemo On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:15 pm

I wonder why besides transportation bit is so cheap out west and virtually unattainable here in the east coast?

Surely the cost of transporting it would out way the HUGE gap there is between bit and anthracite in pricing. (about an 1/8 of the price per ton)

somebody could load up a trailer of that stuff and make a fortune out my way.

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Re: Where do you get your Bituminous coal and a going price?

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:32 pm

Here is some PA bit coal info that might help you Guys finding bit coal in PA . Also Penn coal sells & ships bit coal aswell
as Kimmel coal co. Blaschak coal co. Direnzo coal co. Hope this helps you Guys out .

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate ... minous.htm

http://www.penncoal.com/wst_page4.html

http://www.local.com/details/8972172/wi ... g-inc.aspx

http://www.local.com/details/47668910/m ... al-co.aspx
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