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Post by LoschStoker » Wed. Sep. 03, 2014 10:20 pm

I don't know how to explain this but I'll give it a try.
At the stove flue collar you put a tee horizontally, add a short pipe at each end then a ell on both sides pointing up.
Then we do the same thing coming out of the chimney but pointing down and aligning with the other ells and put stove pipe in between.
I'm thinking this would lower stack temps.


 
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Post by michaelanthony » Wed. Sep. 03, 2014 10:58 pm

Why not first find the reason for the high stack temp?

edit: I can visualize your description but what will doubling the flue size do to your draft? Where does your draft regulating device go? I worry you could set yourself up for disaster loosing draft. A fan washing heat off the flue pipe can do wonders.

 
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Post by Lightning » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 8:54 am

Are you trying to scrub heat off the flue pipe by increasing its surface area? (adding more pipe) I think I understand your design. Could you draw it on paper and post a pic of it?

 
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Post by franco b » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 10:16 am

Sure you will lower the stack temperature by adding more heat exchange surface.

Things like this were common years ago, sometimes with an oven in the middle. Often the stove was located in a central position and more smoke pipe was used to take advantage of excessive stack temp

As michaelanthony pointed out the right size and design of stove will not need these things.

 
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 10:55 am

The good old days may of lack technology, by todays standards, but they had no troubles thinking how to keep on trying to improve what technology they already had. ;)

 
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Post by coaledsweat » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 2:40 pm

What is the stack temp and do you have a barometric damper on it?

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 3:04 pm

Lightning wrote:Are you trying to scrub heat off the flue pipe by increasing its surface area? (adding more pipe) I think I understand your design. Could you draw it on paper and post a pic of it?
Hey lightning I'll take a stab at it!

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Post by Lightning » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 4:32 pm

(In a snickering Beavis tone)

That's coooooolll...!! :D

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Post by LoschStoker » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 6:00 pm

YES...YES...that pic is what I'm talking about, I'm wondering if any body tried it and how much it lowered the stack temp.
I'm stove less now and I need to make up my mine if I want an hand fired or a stoker stove, then what brand...I just can't make up my mind.
Most modern hand fired stoves aren't very efficient at collecting heat, that design would help, but it would be putting heat near the ceiling. Near the ceiling is better then up the chimney.

 
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Post by Lightning » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 6:36 pm

Mike, yer quite the artist! :lol:

 
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Post by scoobydoo » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 7:59 pm

After looking at Mike's drawing,I think the appropriate name for this set up would be "The Scared Kitty"!lol

 
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Post by SMITTY » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 9:38 pm

There must have been a puffback in that drawing ... :D

Coal, puffback.wmv

 
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Post by michaelanthony » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 10:25 pm

SMITTY wrote:There must have been a puffback in that drawing ... :D
Coal, puffback.wmv
scoobydoo wrote:After looking at Mike's drawing,I think the appropriate name for this set up would be "The Scared Kitty"!lol
Oh...that's my cat "Puffy" the scared kitty! :lol:
LoschStoker wrote:YES...YES...that pic is what I'm talking about, I'm wondering if any body tried it and how much it lowered the stack temp.
I'm stove less now and I need to make up my mine if I want an hand fired or a stoker stove, then what brand...I just can't make up my mind.
Most modern hand fired stoves aren't very efficient at collecting heat, that design would help, but it would be putting heat near the ceiling. Near the ceiling is better then up the chimney.
I have a modern hand fired Vermont Castings 2310 coal burner that collects and disperses heat very very well, you would be quite impressed!

 
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Sep. 04, 2014 10:49 pm

Oh, it's an "O" Oven!

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This is not your typical Box Stove...no fans required either.

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Post by LoschStoker » Fri. Sep. 05, 2014 10:37 pm

The Vermont Castings 2310 is rated 50,000 btu, a little small, it will be going in the basement.
I did hear there a decent stove.
I like the oven idea, but $300.


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