Charter Oak #24 - Can This Burn Coal ?
- freetown fred
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Me thinks you're on to something grate wise John:)
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i think they are in the stove with the proper end to the left but, I also think the one with the 13' card should be swapped with the other and the gears remeshed.
this will bring the flats to the top and the "curtains" / "flanges" will be down along side the side bars at the bottom of the fire pot. it's been my experience that grates of this style always have the "curtains" along the sides of the fire pot to keep coal from dropping out at that place during shaking. they also are set up to shake toward the middle to move any unburnt pieces in under the hottest part of the fire to finish them off.
before there is money spent and conversion of possible candidate grates some one really does need to hook this fella up with Skip Wilson and or Emory to see if proper units are around to have recast.
good luck with this stove by the way, I think you will be amazed at the diff. burning coal will make in the ease and amount of heat performance it can produce.
steve
this will bring the flats to the top and the "curtains" / "flanges" will be down along side the side bars at the bottom of the fire pot. it's been my experience that grates of this style always have the "curtains" along the sides of the fire pot to keep coal from dropping out at that place during shaking. they also are set up to shake toward the middle to move any unburnt pieces in under the hottest part of the fire to finish them off.
before there is money spent and conversion of possible candidate grates some one really does need to hook this fella up with Skip Wilson and or Emory to see if proper units are around to have recast.
good luck with this stove by the way, I think you will be amazed at the diff. burning coal will make in the ease and amount of heat performance it can produce.
steve
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In the picture, I assumed (wrongly) that we're looking at the grates from the left side of the firepot - going by the small door on the front of the stove showing in the first picture. I thought that door is what gives access to the gear ends of the grate bars where a shaker handle likely fits on.KingCoal wrote:i think they are in the stove with the proper end to the left but, I also think the one with the 13' card should be swapped with the other and the gears remeshed.
this will bring the flats to the top and the "curtains" / "flanges" will be down along side the side bars at the bottom of the fire pot. it's been my experience that grates of this style always have the "curtains" along the sides of the fire pot to keep coal from dropping out at that place during shaking. they also are set up to shake toward the middle to move any unburnt pieces in under the hottest part of the fire to finish them off.
before there is money spent and conversion of possible candidate grates some one really does need to hook this fella up with Skip Wilson and or Emory to see if proper units are around to have recast.
good luck with this stove by the way, I think you will be amazed at the diff. burning coal will make in the ease and amount of heat performance it can produce.
steve
On closer inspection of the oval shape of the stove, I see the grates must go in from the right side. I mentioned swapping left for right, but I should have said swapping the front for the rear grate in the picture .
Paul
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yep 'ir,
isn't it something the way perspective has a way of moving / rotating around when we are looking at single plain depictions of 3D objects ?
i look at pics and say WHAT ? to myself alot. then I go look at as many others as I can find to see if it appears to present the same impression.
sometimes it helps...............sometimes I still don't have a clue what i'm seeing.
isn't it something the way perspective has a way of moving / rotating around when we are looking at single plain depictions of 3D objects ?
i look at pics and say WHAT ? to myself alot. then I go look at as many others as I can find to see if it appears to present the same impression.
sometimes it helps...............sometimes I still don't have a clue what i'm seeing.
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After many years of drafting classes and quite a few years working as a draftsman and tech illustrator - having to understand and draw 3D objects (before the days of CAD drawings), I wish I had a better excuse than just old age lack of attention to details.
Paul
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ya know...........
with all the experience and talent populating this forum alone there is a staggeringly successful biz. just waiting to be realized.
i'm not kidding either. there is enough technical savvy here the potential of a combined / directed effort honestly blows my mind.
with all the experience and talent populating this forum alone there is a staggeringly successful biz. just waiting to be realized.
i'm not kidding either. there is enough technical savvy here the potential of a combined / directed effort honestly blows my mind.
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The Grate photo is taken from the Ash pan view looking up into the stove / the table surface would be where the coal is. Sorry about the confusion caused by the photo. Think of laying on your back and looking up into the stove. A bit confusing I agree.
I cleaned the grates and took two more photos of grate surface rotated in two positions. There is only one way to load the grates in this stove as one is longer than the other.
Thanks for everyone's interest in my project.
Regards: john
I cleaned the grates and took two more photos of grate surface rotated in two positions. There is only one way to load the grates in this stove as one is longer than the other.
Thanks for everyone's interest in my project.
Regards: john
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Good you have the shaker handle.
It is possible if you are somewhat artistic to create a copy of your grates out of epoxy. The epoxy copy then could be easily used as the master for castings. I have seen some amazing things done here on this forum in this area.
Maybe some of our more experienced shop pros can chime in here with some suggestions.
It doesn't look that hard to recreate the missing sections of the grates with some sort of moldable clay or epoxy.
It is possible if you are somewhat artistic to create a copy of your grates out of epoxy. The epoxy copy then could be easily used as the master for castings. I have seen some amazing things done here on this forum in this area.
Maybe some of our more experienced shop pros can chime in here with some suggestions.
It doesn't look that hard to recreate the missing sections of the grates with some sort of moldable clay or epoxy.
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Morning wsherrick:wsherrick wrote:
It is possible if you are somewhat artistic to create a copy of your grates out of epoxy. The epoxy copy then could be easily used as the master for castings.
Maybe some of our more experienced shop pros can chime in here with some suggestions.
It doesn't look that hard to recreate the missing sections of the grates with some sort of moldable clay or epoxy.
Yes I think I could fashion the missing sections. I would just need to become familiar with the medium. Any information would be most welcome from other members.
Regards: John
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Thanks lightning, I'm looking forward to burning coal in this stove.
Spent the morning calling around the US to different stove refurbishes/sellers and no one has my stove let alone grates. The Mfg was the St. Louis Foundry, (they made cannon during the "War of Northern Aggression")
Talked with Gary Crawford in Oregon at roundoakman.com He told me Iowa is good vintage stove country, "Everyone had a stove in all those old farm houses" he said.
So got to thinking, I do have an empty poll barn and could place an add in the local paper saying
$$$ Cash for Old Stoves $$$
What am I thinking? Damn - this is a slippery slope. I need to keep repeating to myself -One Stove is Enough - One Stove is Enough - One Stove is Enough.
Anyway I did order 2 grates # 318SG and 318LG from Woodsmanparts going the machine shop route.
What a fun adventure this is turning out to be.
Regards: john
Spent the morning calling around the US to different stove refurbishes/sellers and no one has my stove let alone grates. The Mfg was the St. Louis Foundry, (they made cannon during the "War of Northern Aggression")
Talked with Gary Crawford in Oregon at roundoakman.com He told me Iowa is good vintage stove country, "Everyone had a stove in all those old farm houses" he said.
So got to thinking, I do have an empty poll barn and could place an add in the local paper saying
$$$ Cash for Old Stoves $$$
What am I thinking? Damn - this is a slippery slope. I need to keep repeating to myself -One Stove is Enough - One Stove is Enough - One Stove is Enough.
Anyway I did order 2 grates # 318SG and 318LG from Woodsmanparts going the machine shop route.
What a fun adventure this is turning out to be.
Regards: john
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The Harvest is in full swing here in Iowa, the combines are running late into the night, and my grate project is sitting where I left it weeks ago at the machine shop. The Charter Oak is going to take more time than I figured ... so
I decided to refurbish a 120 Warm morning stove to keep the house heated as winter is around the corner.
Picked up a 520 at a local auction for $60.00 and the 120 from Creigslist for $150.00 Had new barrels make for both. The rebuild is simple and straight forward. Have enough good bricks to reline one stove.
Really like the look of the 120. The Gray enamel looks good next to the new steel barrel.
Also ordered materials from http://www.polytek.com/ Polytek so I can recast custom firebrick as I need them. Need to find a supplier for casting cement at wholesale pricing.
Will keep you posted as to my progress.
Regards: john
I decided to refurbish a 120 Warm morning stove to keep the house heated as winter is around the corner.
Picked up a 520 at a local auction for $60.00 and the 120 from Creigslist for $150.00 Had new barrels make for both. The rebuild is simple and straight forward. Have enough good bricks to reline one stove.
Really like the look of the 120. The Gray enamel looks good next to the new steel barrel.
Also ordered materials from http://www.polytek.com/ Polytek so I can recast custom firebrick as I need them. Need to find a supplier for casting cement at wholesale pricing.
Will keep you posted as to my progress.
Regards: john
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Enjoyed reading your thread. Thanks for sharing. Love to see old stuff restored. Keep it up and stay warm. Matt
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Polytek, for making the brick molds, I assume?
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Yup. Polyurethane rubber molds. That's what I'm using to make molds for #6 fire bricks.McGiever wrote:Polytek, for making the brick molds, I assume?
Got my mold rubber from here. http://www.eagerplastics.com/cat.htm
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