Coal quality from various sources

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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:31 pm

jersey wrote:jetto should have posted here friend was very :D with the coal from the jetto he buys pea he likes the burn and he remarked about the size( larger little fines) it's out by hazelton,far for me 120/ton pick up anybody have feed back , mabe good for next year thanks jersey


Hers a post from the last thread that got into details on Jeddo

http://nepacrossroads.com/about1739-120.html#p24169

I burned Blaschak from St. Nick breaker all season with great results but very expensive
Currently burning a quarter ton of Superior to test No Surprises nothing bad to say seems to produce more heat
Would like to try Summit and Sherman next season
Had a Bad batch from Lenig last year almost damaged grates with the rocks it was full of, Never Went Back
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:45 pm

I have 4 tons of Lennig Pea coal.. no rocks or shale... in fact it is burning hotter and more completely than any other coal I have tried so far..

There are three Lennig breakers, two sell trash, one sells deep-mined coal... I know I got my load from the deep mined source.

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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: Sting On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:42 pm

LsFarm wrote:I have 4 tons of Lennig Pea coal.. no rocks or shale... in fact it is burning hotter and more completely than any other coal I have tried so far..

There are three Lennig breakers, two sell trash, one sells deep-mined coal... I know I got my load from the deep mined source.

Greg L


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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:23 pm

coalstoves wrote:
jersey wrote:jetto should have posted here friend was very :D with the coal from the jetto he buys pea he likes the burn and he remarked about the size( larger little fines) it's out by hazelton,far for me 120/ton pick up anybody have feed back , mabe good for next year thanks jersey


Hers a post from the last thread that got into details on Jeddo

http://nepacrossroads.com/about1739-120.html#p24169

I burned Blaschak from St. Nick breaker all season with great results but very expensive
Currently burning a quarter ton of Superior to test No Surprises nothing bad to say seems to produce more heat
Would like to try Summit and Sherman next season
Had a Bad batch from Lenig last year almost damaged grates with the rocks it was full of, Never Went Back
Superior will give you the most heat out of all of the coal breakers in a 40miles area Now as for Summit if you like
blaschak coal and we all know you do then you will like Summit all of the coal is coming from the Mammoth vein up here by me at his brokton mine all white ash Like what you would get at the blaschak breaker in Ravine at lease last time I got it there it was all white ash Summit runs around 9.5 % ash content the last time I was out a few weeks ago it is clean burning but does not put out the btu's as much as the Superior or UAE Or Lenig I liked the Summit coal better when they were Pulling it out of there Feather mine out by the breaker burned hotter But that coal is from many different veins of coal As for the Shermen That will be white ash or red ash sometime It all depends when you go there the coal Quality Varies a lot sometime it will be good some times it will be very bad Much like Hegins coal lately it is very bad getting rid of a lot of old banks and no new coal Coalstove stick with what works Superior UAE & Summit Lenig Calvin V Make sure it is coming from them not Lenig & kosmer or Dale lenig both of them are a stripping & refuse coal there on the 3004 low road not Route 225 top road Oh by the way if you did not know already Summit is up the road 4.5 miles From Superior for you the easy way would be get on Rt 125 up by you and take it all the way to good spring when you come to the 4 way stop go across the road over the RR tracks in about 1/4 mile or less you will see there sign on your left take the road back about a 1/2 mile or so the breaker will be on the left side down the hill Or take I-81 to the 107 Exit take a right at the top of the ramp go a 1/2 up the Mountain look for main st on your right take it down to the bottom the sign will be on your right 140.00 a ton When you come out you can go back the way you came or take a right go down to the 4 way and take 125 back home nice ride
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:10 am

coal berner wrote: Superior will give you the most heat out of all of the coal breakers in a 40miles area Now as for Summit if you like blaschak coal and we all know you do then you will like Summit all of the coal is coming from the Mammoth vein up here by me at his brokton mine all white ash Like what you would get at the blaschak breaker in Ravine at lease last time I got it there it was all white ash Summit runs around 9.5 % ash content the last time I was out a few weeks ago it is clean burning but does not put out the btu's as much as the Superior or UAE Or Lenig I liked the Summit coal better when they were Pulling it out of there Feather mine out by the breaker burned hotter But that coal is from many different veins of coal As for the Shermen That will be white ash or red ash sometime It all depends when you go there the coal Quality Varies a lot sometime it will be good some times it will be very bad Much like Hegins coal lately it is very bad getting rid of a lot of old banks and no new coal Coalstove stick with what works Superior UAE & Summit Lenig Calvin V Make sure it is coming from them not Lenig & kosmer or Dale lenig both of them are a stripping & refuse coal there on the 3004 low road not Route 225 top road Oh by the way if you did not know already Summit is up the road 4.5 miles From Superior for you the easy way would be get on Rt 125 up by you and take it all the way to good spring when you come to the 4 way stop go across the road over the RR tracks in about 1/4 mile or less you will see there sign on your left take the road back about a 1/2 mile or so the breaker will be on the left side down the hill Or take I-81 to the 107 Exit take a right at the top of the ramp go a 1/2 up the Mountain look for main st on your right take it down to the bottom the sign will be on your right 140.00 a ton When you come out you can go back the way you came or take a right go down to the 4 way and take 125 back home nice ride


Thanks Coal Berner Like I said NO Complaints with the Superior it has some characteristics that took a little adjusting to get used to using but once I figured what it likes I've had some REAL HOT fires, I would have liked having some of this during that short sprint in the Low Teens we had this year .

What do ya think we have left to Burn ? I'm figuring three weeks till we can let em go out .
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: coal berner On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:11 pm

coalstoves wrote:
coal berner wrote: Superior will give you the most heat out of all of the coal breakers in a 40miles area Now as for Summit if you like blaschak coal and we all know you do then you will like Summit all of the coal is coming from the Mammoth vein up here by me at his brokton mine all white ash Like what you would get at the blaschak breaker in Ravine at lease last time I got it there it was all white ash Summit runs around 9.5 % ash content the last time I was out a few weeks ago it is clean burning but does not put out the btu's as much as the Superior or UAE Or Lenig I liked the Summit coal better when they were Pulling it out of there Feather mine out by the breaker burned hotter But that coal is from many different veins of coal As for the Shermen That will be white ash or red ash sometime It all depends when you go there the coal Quality Varies a lot sometime it will be good some times it will be very bad Much like Hegins coal lately it is very bad getting rid of a lot of old banks and no new coal Coalstove stick with what works Superior UAE & Summit Lenig Calvin V Make sure it is coming from them not Lenig & kosmer or Dale lenig both of them are a stripping & refuse coal there on the 3004 low road not Route 225 top road Oh by the way if you did not know already Summit is up the road 4.5 miles From Superior for you the easy way would be get on Rt 125 up by you and take it all the way to good spring when you come to the 4 way stop go across the road over the RR tracks in about 1/4 mile or less you will see there sign on your left take the road back about a 1/2 mile or so the breaker will be on the left side down the hill Or take I-81 to the 107 Exit take a right at the top of the ramp go a 1/2 up the Mountain look for main st on your right take it down to the bottom the sign will be on your right 140.00 a ton When you come out you can go back the way you came or take a right go down to the 4 way and take 125 back home nice ride


Thanks Coal Berner Like I said NO Complaints with the Superior it has some characteristics that took a little adjusting to get used to using but once I figured what it likes I've had some REAL HOT fires, I would have liked having some of this during that short sprint in the Low Teens we had this year .

What do ya think we have left to Burn ? I'm figuring three weeks till we can let em go out .
well last year I burnd until may 16 60's to 70's in the day but 30's at night hard to tell I always switch to Superior coal in mid winter when the temps drop I like the Extra BTU's nothing burns that hot UAE Is ok in the beginning of the season but not when it gets down in the low temps Lenig burns Pretty close to Superior coal as far as btu's and has less ash But Superior is my favorite I started my fire on Oct 27 its been going ever since a little over 3.5 tons so far have a 1/2 left might go get more I love burning coal I can't help myself what stove are you burning it in The 700 or the harman you do not need alot of air once it starts going cut the air back only if you have a strong draft it burns long and hard been burning it since 1997 Summit since 1996 Summit does not burn as hot do to they are in a different area they are up by be in brokton now Mammoth vein some Primrose Holmes & Skidmore but it is clean burning 9.5% ash I liked there coal better when they were out by there breaker at the Feather mine Don't waste you time & money going to Sherman lots of shale & rocks but sometimes it is ok you never know 135.00 a ton the last time I was there And there scale is scary when it is wet or iced up you have drive on and then back off it the front as about a 4 foot drop and the sides are about 2 to 3 foot drop I almost loss it a few times and thre breaker is not much better
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Refuse Coal Reclamation

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:39 pm

A very long document, I didn't read all of it, but there is some noteworthy information about refuse coal in the first few pages.

http://www.epa.gov/EPA-IMPACT/2007/Janu ... 7/i453.htm
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Re: Refuse Coal Reclamation

PostBy: coal berner On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:57 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:A very long document, I didn't read all of it, but there is some noteworthy information about refuse coal in the first few pages.

http://www.epa.gov/EPA-IMPACT/2007/Janu ... 7/i453.htm
Yes it burns like *censored* and as alot of unwanted crap in it in most cases if not all


http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/minres/bmr/annualreport/2006/table06_anthracite_refuse.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Refuse Coal Reclamation

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:02 pm

coal berner wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:A very long document, I didn't read all of it, but there is some noteworthy information about refuse coal in the first few pages.

http://www.epa.gov/EPA-IMPACT/2007/Janu ... 7/i453.htm
Yes it burns like *censored* and as alot of unwanted crap in it in most cases if not all


http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/minres/bmr/annualreport/2006/table06_anthracite_refuse.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


I started with that link you posted about refuse coal and started searching and found the document I posted previously.
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: Dallas On: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:53 pm

Dallas wrote:
Dallas wrote:The Hudson coal doesn't even make enough heat to keep the distribution fan running! :x Maybe, I'll try to burn it up in August.


Dallas wrote:I'll reluctantly check on the burn properties of the Hudson nut, when my mud box is returned.


:?: :?: So, the guy who I sold the Hudson coal to stopped for a couple of beers this afternoon. He said the Hudson coal, which I sold him was about gone, but it burned much hotter, than what he had been using. He had to "re-learn" his draft settings. So, I don't know .... maybe it was due to the shale and rock, which I couldn't shake down.
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:12 pm

What kind of stove does he have?
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: Dallas On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:09 am

Harman MK III
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:44 am

Is anyone familiar with coal that burns with a red flame? I had one ton delivered two years ago that would light off with red flame and stay that way. I might have seen a bit of blue, but it would go to red once it all got going. It didn't have the heat content that the usual blue burning gas I usually have. The ash was typical, a creamy to white powder/flake at about the same amount too. I haven't seen it since. It's from the same yard I always have used. They use to handle Jedo (stopped cause of rock), sell bagged Redding and once said the coal comes from St. Nick. mine. I'm guessing it's a price thing for them. No junk, it just looks different nearly every time. First stuff this season was rusty looking angular stuff (pea) and dull but burned good and the ash was good. Last batch was shinny black and you could tell the bedding of the coal was different because the pieces (pea) were longer and flatter. No complaints- good heat and no ash problems. just wondering....
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South Tamaqua Pea

PostBy: Charlie Z On: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:33 pm

I looked at the weather for this week and drove to the local coal dealer to buy whatever they had at whatever cost. I ran out of coal March 4, but burning wood is a mess and handling it is a royal PITA. I finally slept well last night.

Their bagged coal is normally Blaschak, but the bulk was South Tamaqua this time. They were out of Blaschak pea, so I got some 40lb bags of the bulk Tamaqua. It burns pretty much like the Reading pea I had previously, long and steady - excellent for 30* and up or days with some warmth by day like today (45*-25*). Pea is geezing to keep up on truly cold weather in our handfired; nut easily handles it.

Burned 28 lbs in the last 24 hrs, which seems good to me. Ash is quite red and very light and fluffy, no bridging or clinkering up to report. Seems pretty perfect as a late/early season burn. It does have one funny trait, it splinters after you throw it in and you're sitting there admiring the flame. You have to get the door shut or little slivers come shooting out during the crackle time. I'd like to compare it to the 'fine' stuff (superior, summit, UAE), but I'm pleased with it.

- Charlie
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Re: Coal quality from various sources

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:16 am

Charlie,
I was burning coal which I believe was from South Tamaqua Coal Pockets, it was pea size and had the same splintering effect. Little pieces would hit the glass after reloading. It's refuse coal. It burned reasonably well, but I had a lot of problems getting long enough burn times. I tried nut size several times with poor results.
In the stoker using rice coal there was always a lot of unburned coal in the ash pan, even sifting it and running it through again wouldn't burn it.

For my money I'm sticking with Superior, the difference is like day and night.

But I agree-if I ran out of coal I would buy what I could find, it's better then wood-or even worse-oil.
I'm out of coal for the stoker, I won't be able to make a coal run until sometime next week. I "sifted" through part of the coal bin and came up with enough small pieces to keep the stoker running as needed.
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