Coal Quality From Various Sources

Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Fri. Feb. 08, 2008 11:06 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
Yes, tomorrow morning. Most likely Superior.


Heard the ash contents runnin a bit high these days over there
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: CoalHeat On: Fri. Feb. 08, 2008 11:13 pm

coalstoves wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:[quote="coalstoves"]I take it you'll be here in morning, where are you going Harmony or Superior, I was at Harmony today they got a nice big pile a Rice and I only took a ton fer the Harman


Yes, tomorrow morning. Most likely Superior.


Heard the ash contents runnin a bit high these days over there[/quote]

Yes, I believe you are right, surely less ash then what I'm burning now, though. Between 2 and 3 scuttle-fulls a day produces a full 5 gallon ash can. I ran out of coal for the hand fed, picked up a few bags of Reading nut. Well it's supposed to be nut. It's more like some nut, some pea, lots of fines, and a few stove size pieces here and there. Burns better then what I had before, but still not to my satisfaction.
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Fri. Feb. 08, 2008 11:29 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
coalstoves wrote:I take it you'll be here in morning, where are you going Harmony or Superior, I was at Harmony today they got a nice big pile a Rice and I only took a ton fer the Harman


Heard the ash contents runnin a bit high these days over there


Wood'nCoal wrote:, I believe you are right, surely less ash then what I'm burning now, though. Between 2 and 3 scuttle-fulls a day produces a full 5 gallon ash can. I ran out of coal for the hand fed, picked up a few bags of Reading nut. Well it's supposed to be nut. It's more like some nut, some pea, lots of fines, and a few stove size pieces here and there. Burns better then what I had before, but still not to my satisfaction.


Why not Harmony then less ash content, same price, Red ash like superior :poke:
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sat. Feb. 09, 2008 2:14 am

Salemcoal wrote:No knock against Pa haulersmaking their fair share but i'm burning coal to save money. 5 kids to put through college. Right now i'm paying for the cost of trucking and my dealers profit and getting substandard coal. If I was getting quality coal at the same price I would not be searching for alternative methods of delivery. When quality coal costs 325 a ton it is more than double the price of hardwood cords. Not that I want to do the wood thing again, I'm excited about my vf 3000 stoker, but if coal goes up I may just burn a little more wood in my Harman duel fuel sf 150.


Don't feel bad go back and research the history of Anthracite its mining and transportation, nobody ever wanted to pay for it, prior to the Anthracite strike of 1902 and afterward cities and towns along the eastern seaboard bemoaned the price they had to pay for it, they would cite all sorts of economic and social woes associated with the price almost expressing an attitude of entitlement to the fuel . But the then President of one of the largest anthracite hauling railroads brought things into perspective with this statement

"Anthracite coal is a business, and not a religious, sentimental, or academic proposition"

George Baer
Former President of the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: CoalHeat On: Sat. Feb. 09, 2008 6:30 am

coalstoves wrote:
Wood'nCoal wrote:
coalstoves"]I take it you'll be here in morning, where are you going Harmony or Superior, I was at Harmony today they got a nice big pile a Rice and I only took a ton fer the Harman


Heard the ash contents runnin a bit high these days over there


[quote="Wood'nCoal wrote:, I believe you are right, surely less ash then what I'm burning now, though. Between 2 and 3 scuttle-fulls a day produces a full 5 gallon ash can. I ran out of coal for the hand fed, picked up a few bags of Reading nut. Well it's supposed to be nut. It's more like some nut, some pea, lots of fines, and a few stove size pieces here and there. Burns better then what I had before, but still not to my satisfaction.


Why not Harmony then less ash content, same price, Red ash like superior :poke:[/quote]

We'll see what happens today. :D
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sat. Feb. 09, 2008 6:40 am

Good Luck
I'm just teasin ya , but you know it's not like you'll need coal every couple a weeks and I'd hate to see ya go thru all this and not get the very best ya could . You'll be driving right by some of the best all along the way
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: butchs37 On: Sat. Feb. 09, 2008 7:01 am

Heading out today for some myself just not sure where. I havent decided on Hegins, Superior or Summit. Never burned any of them yet so don't know which would burn best in keystoker 90k dv.
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: CoalHeat On: Sat. Feb. 09, 2008 7:22 am

butchs37 wrote:Heading out today for some myself just not sure where. I havent decided on Hegins, Superior or Summit. Never burned any of them yet so don't know which would burn best in keystoker 90k dv.

Maybe we'll see you later!
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coal berner On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 3:39 am

butchs37 wrote:Heading out today for some myself just not sure where. I havent decided on Hegins, Superior or Summit. Never burned any of them yet so don't know which would burn best in keystoker 90k dv.
No Hegins There are selling the breaker and the Quality is not good using up what is laying around Go to either of the other two Much Better Quality ;) Superior coal is Pulling out of the Primrose Vein & the Buck mountain vein Summit is Pulling out of The Primrose vein The Holems vein The Mammoth top split the Mammoth Middel split the Middel Mammoth Bottom split veins The Skidmore vein also The Seven Foot vein The lower Four Foot vein & Buck Mountain vein
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 4:26 am

coal berner wrote:No Hegins
They are selling the breaker and the Quality is not good, using up what is laying around .

Go to either Superior or Summit Much Better Quality

Superior coal is Pulling out of the Primrose & Buck mountain veins.

Summit is Pulling out of the following veins

▪ The Primrose
▪ The Holmes,
▪ The Monmouth Top, Middle and Bottom split
▪ The Skidmore
▪ The Seven Foot
▪ The lower Four Foot
▪ Buck Mountain



Seems the Summit would give the best blend cause of the variety of coal what do you think
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: Matthaus On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 12:13 pm

coalstoves wrote: Seems the Summit would give the best blend cause of the variety of coal what do you think


Based on my experience with Summit, Lenig, Superior, and UAE the best burning blend is Superior and UAE, it combines the best heat with the low ash of UAE. Burning by them selves the following was observed at ~ 40% feed rate on the Coal-trol and measuring stove temp with a Fluke laser thermometer just above the upper door and to the right: (all ash % and temps are approximate averages, interpolated by me :P )
Summit about 12% ash and 485*F stove temp
Superior about 15% ash and 585*F stove temp
UAE about 7% ash and 450*F stove temp
Lenig about 11% ash and 525 *F stove temp
The above is in no way intended to be an absolute, actual results may vary. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 1:41 pm

Matthaus wrote:Based on my experience with Summit, Lenig, Superior, and UAE the best burning blend is Superior and UAE
The above is in no way intended to be an absolute, actual results may vary.


Excellent work on the comparisons, just got a ton of UAE for the Harman seems they lifted the 1 ton limit, big piles of everything available
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 2:24 pm

Did you ask the folks at UAE what their latest analysist of their coal was?? Is it still around 7% or has it gone up some??

Greg L

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PostBy: coalstoves On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 3:02 pm

LsFarm wrote:Did you ask the folks at UAE what their latest analysist of their coal was?? Is it still around 7% or has it gone up some??

Greg L

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Naw, I'm kinda complacent with the consistency of that place it's the same mine same vein that entire operation is a bit of a fluke in the way the coal runs there, the vein actually lays flat across the top of the mountain and seems to have added to the consistency of the way it burns .
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Re: Coal Quality From Various Sources

PostBy: CoalHeat On: Sun. Feb. 10, 2008 7:47 pm

coalstoves wrote:
Matthaus wrote:Based on my experience with Summit, Lenig, Superior, and UAE the best burning blend is Superior and UAE
The above is in no way intended to be an absolute, actual results may vary.


Excellent work on the comparisons, just got a ton of UAE for the Harman seems they lifted the 1 ton limit, big piles of everything available


Why didn't you get Blaschak???? :twisted:
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