Smartening up the Heating Plant With New Ecobee Thermostat

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Post by Vampiro » Thu. Oct. 16, 2014 7:02 pm

Hi all,

Heating season is here. I wanted to have complete control of my system, so I installed an Ecobee thermostat. I conducted research on the top thermostats from Honeywell, the Nest, and lastly the Ecobee (found by accident). I purchased the Ecobee 3, which is brand new on the market. Their company, based upon internet reviews and others who have owned other models loved their thermostats. I had read many negative reviews about the Honeywell, and the Nest had some really great reviews........However, while lauded, it tried to be smarter than it is and steals power from the appliance. Many don't know this could damage the appliance!!!! So to hell with a "trying to be smart thermostat" that could ruin my setup, so the nest was out. Also, there were no remote sensors for either the Honeywell, or the Nest. That was another thing that ruled them out. I was originally going to buy the Nest, but am glad I conducted research, and found the Ecobee by accident. It actually was a pre-order item.

The new Ecobee 3 came with one remote sensor, and I ordered 2 more, as they offered it as a package deal with a discount. The extra sensors are great, because I am able to monitor the temperature of the entire building from my computer, phone, and the thermostat itself. This is very important, as I am able to adjust the heat setting while away. The interface on the computer, and the thermostat itself is simple.

The install:

The electrician set up a relay, and a single pole double throw switch to switch from the coal boiler to the gas boiler. This switch is manual, as there are manual steam valves, and return line valves that isolate each boiler. The C wire has constant power, which powers the thermostat, and when the switch is thrown to either boiler, either boiler is able to operate from one thermostat. So if the switch says coal, the thermostat will only control the coal boiler. When the thermostat says gas, it controls only the gas thermostat.

The installation was a breeze. The three wire's were run up to the room where the thermostat is located (coldest room), and it powered the thermostat. After it calibrated, and I went through the initial setup (which was really simple) to include setting up WIFI, it operated flawlessly. I added one remote sensor so far, and will mount the other two another day. There is a circular battery, with a pull tab to activate it. It recognized the remote sensor right away, and one press of the Okay button and that was it.

It might be a little pricey, but it is worth every penny. I test fired the boiler, and everything worked perfectly. This is definitely.

So, as I ready the coal boiler, the gas boiler is up and running, although now it is direct vented with a Tjernlund unit that is real quiet and operates smoothly.

If you were thinking of the Honeywell, or Nest. Give the Ecobee a try. I will update the review during the heating season. Hope all goes well with it, which I think will be the case.

Have a great night, and please do let the Vampires bite :twisted:

 
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Post by Sting » Fri. Oct. 17, 2014 8:17 am

do you have a great internet connection to make this work?

one of the "nests" I installed I went back and removed because the DSL there was just too "buggy" and the homeowner didn't want to invest in a better connection.

 
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Post by Penn507 » Fri. Oct. 17, 2014 6:58 pm

Looking forward to your review

 
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Post by Vampiro » Sat. Oct. 18, 2014 1:43 pm

Sting wrote:do you have a great internet connection to make this work?

one of the "nests" I installed I went back and removed because the DSL there was just too "buggy" and the homeowner didn't want to invest in a better connection.
My internet connection is @ 2 bars out of 3 (sometimes 3) on the thermostat, as the wifi is in the back part and the thermostat is in the front part of the house. I tried manipulating the settings from the computer, and it was almost instant at the thermostat. If the Wifi fails, the thermostat still operates by itself. The only thing the connection is for is to register it, set it up, and set up and use the remote stuff and the other features, to include updates. If it is not connected through WIFI, there is a little sad face on it lol, but it still operates.

Why didn't the homeowner want to shell out a few dollars for a wireless router that could have been linked to the main router? They would have already invested the money for the Nest, apparently because they would like to save money and have greater control of their system. So a few dollars extra for a router would be worth while.

The phone app is great. The only thing I wish it had were the temperatures of the remote sensors. Being it is brand new, it's nothing an update couldn't handle. With the phone ap, the thermostat responds quickly to the changes from the phone. You are allowed to adjust other settings from the phone as well.

All in all, I am pleased with the thermostat so far. Sunday will be a test, as the outside temp is supposed to be in the low 50's.


 
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Post by Vampiro » Tue. Oct. 21, 2014 5:18 pm

Tested out the thermostat the other day, and everything ran smoothly from afar. I am going to see how the thermostat learns the building next. That and add some TRV's to the radiators and I should be saving a good amount of fuel. Can't wait to fire up the coal boiler. Am awaiting Chimney install, and have to do a few more things to the AA260.

 
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Post by Penn507 » Tue. Oct. 21, 2014 5:34 pm

I curious how the motion detector feature will work for you. My house has such a irregular schedule that traditional set backs don't work.

 
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Post by highrise » Tue. Nov. 04, 2014 8:13 pm

Nice idea Penn! I didn't even see your Thread when I started mine or I would have checked out EcoBee which I am going to do right now. But I do have a question. By installing a relay on the Thermostat, you are going to run the stove Full Tilt if the relay is up, or idle if it's out? So seems like it's constantly gonna be going hot/cold/hot/cold to maintain temperature. To avoid this the Honeywell has an Aux feature that it will fire to start something like a Heat Pump to assist the furnace if it doesn't come up to temperature in "X" amount of minutes, which you can use as an "on" delay from medium to high and also keep the temperature swings lower with 3 temperature settings. I am going to order everything I need this week and would love input from you as I found NO ONE that is doing this sort of thing! I ordered one of those solid stat AC motor controllers for the carpet to test and see what amp draw I get on low setting and also to put some good resistance on it to make sure it absolutely can not stall and to make sure it runs cool on a lower setting. (I am gonna block the cooler fan for the motor while on low to make sure it's not relying on it alone to stay cool.... temporarily) I like that it keeps it running very cool, but don't want to create a situation where it "needs" it to stay cool or it will overheat.
Keep up the good work, and here's my thread if you feel like chiming in: ----> Smarthome Thermostat?

 
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Post by highrise » Tue. Nov. 04, 2014 8:53 pm

I just checked out the EcoBee Website, and then I called them because I had a few questions on when the 4.....that's right 4 heating settings would be set and controlled. Let me tell you, they are very knowledgeable, polite and this thing can do whatever you want it to, as far as timing between settings and/or times between phases. Now you really, really have me thinking on going with EcoBee, as this gives me 2 more settings than the Lyric :D :D :D


 
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Post by Vampiro » Sun. Nov. 23, 2014 11:23 pm

Just an update. The ecobee has performed awesomely. The sensors work great, and the heat has been good so far. The coal boiler will be wired up after the thanksgiving holiday. Looking to fire the beast up once again. I've ordered some new gaskets, and sealant. Also, a nice stainless steel chimney has been run up the house to accommodate the coal boiler, while the gas boiler is completely separate with it's own direct vent system.

The last thing to add to the heating system will be the TRV (thermostatic radiator valves). This will better balance out the heating system, and save fuel as once the room is satisfied, the TRV will prevent any more steam from entering the radiator, thereby satisfying the demand and meeting the pressure limit quicker, which will save fuel.

Setting the temperature remotely functions very well. There are a few sign in hiccups, but overall it functions as it should 90% of the time.

 
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Post by highrise » Mon. Nov. 24, 2014 6:29 am

Glad to hear! Don't forget to post some pics and explain the wiring a bit. I'm 90% done and went with the Lyric (Got it for $145 new off ebay). Ill post pics in a few days in my thread as well. Good Job man!

 
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Post by Vampiro » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 8:42 pm

highrise wrote:Glad to hear! Don't forget to post some pics and explain the wiring a bit. I'm 90% done and went with the Lyric (Got it for $145 new off ebay). Ill post pics in a few days in my thread as well. Good Job man!
Will be posting some pictures when both boilers are wired up. How is the Lyric working for you?

 
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Post by highrise » Sun. Dec. 07, 2014 9:54 pm

The lyric is fantastic and is saving me about 25% of the coal I was using.

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