Quantity of fines

Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: StokerDon On: Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:26 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:That digital scale shows 11.75 OZ= 11.75 ounces to 1 full tub of ashes.

Good catch there W.H. That little "oz." was too small for me to see!

At 16 oz. per pound that is about 3/4 pound of fines. I still wonder how much coal it took to get it.

-Don
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:00 am

When we were burning Superior coal, we were getting 3 measuring cups FULL for each tub of ash =around 150# of coal.With the Gale coal we are currently averaging less than a cup/tub full = around 170-180# of coal.
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: northernmainecoal On: Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:51 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:That digital scale shows 11.75 OZ= 11.75 ounces to 1 full tub of ashes.


^^^that

Still haven't got any better on my coal usage measurement though :lol: .
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: StokerDon On: Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:54 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:When we were burning Superior coal, we were getting 3 measuring cups FULL for each tub of ash =around 150# of coal.With the Gale coal we are currently averaging less than a cup/tub full = around 170-180# of coal.

I would guess that 3 measuring cups full is more than my 3 pounds (half a coffee tub) of fines. And that is half of my 300 pounds coal. This means the coal itself is a big factor in how much fines end up in the pan.

-Don
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:03 am

When I stuck my hand into the load of Superior coal,while it was still on the truck,i knew by all the fines on my hand that we had a high fines ratio load of coal.
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: Dave 1234 On: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:29 pm

My coal barrel is a blue 55 gallon like most. After a full load, I'll see fines in the amount that would cover a tea cup saucer. I burned close to a TT load of rice (in one year) in the first year started. Switched to buck, I wanted cleaner material but it cut my consumtion by almost half. And less fines.

Dave
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:46 pm

Dave 1234 wrote:My coal barrel is a blue 55 gallon like most. After a full load, I'll see fines in the amount that would cover a tea cup saucer. I burned close to a TT load of rice (in one year) in the first year started. Switched to buck, I wanted cleaner material but it cut my consumtion by almost half. And less fines.

Dave


Dave, I expect the difference in consumption you observed was due to something other than the change in coal size. Either the coal itself was better, or something else you did made a big difference (didn't you change the boiler head?). I bought a TT load of buck one year and did not observe any difference in consumption in 3 EFM's burning it. To your point about it being cleaner, I agree - there was less fines.
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:48 pm

StokerDon wrote:I would guess that 3 measuring cups full is more than my 3 pounds (half a coffee tub) of fines. And that is half of my 300 pounds coal.


A measuring cup is 8 oz, so 3 measuring cups is about half of your 3 pounds. I agree with your point that fines can vary a lot according to the coal source, but I don't think it's shown by these numbers.

Mike
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: fifthg On: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:01 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:When I stuck my hand into the load of Superior coal,while it was still on the truck,i knew by all the fines on my hand that we had a high fines ratio load of coal.
. That is an old coal man's unscientific but very effective means of determining whether or not fines are excessive in coal.More reliable when the coal is fresh and damp.Just stick your open hand in and pull it out,the fines will stick.Keep getting that kind of feedback and you will gain confidence in the method.Did you come up with that yourself,or did someone give you the tip?Thanks for burning Gale Coal,by the way.
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Re: Quantity of fines

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:21 pm

fifthg wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:When I stuck my hand into the load of Superior coal,while it was still on the truck,i knew by all the fines on my hand that we had a high fines ratio load of coal.
. That is an old coal man's unscientific but very effective means of determining whether or not fines are excessive in coal.More reliable when the coal is fresh and damp.Just stick your open hand in and pull it out,the fines will stick.Keep getting that kind of feedback and you will gain confidence in the method.Did you come up with that yourself,or did someone give you the tip?Thanks for burning Gale Coal,by the way.


That was my first experience with rice coal,i just wanted to see what the load of coal "looked" like in my hand. I guess my "test" was an accidental education in coal quality. :)
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