Good Cop, Bad Cop

Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:01 am

A little piece of 'police mentality'. I had a rental house, with some not-so-great renters... They took care of the place, paid their rent, but were a bit 'disreputable'.

The police had them on their list 'to keep an eye on'.. So somehow the police got a search warrant to search the house. They suspected someone may be growing a few 'plants'.

Now, do you think they came and knocked on the door? to serve the warrant?? Nope, the *ss*oles came with the swat team, and broke down front and back doors with sledge hammers, [they weren't even locked,] and charged into the place and kicked open several other doors to find three, count em... three 'plants' growing...

The **s*ole cops didn't even applogize to me for the $2,000 damage to the house. The doors they smashe were not garden-variety doors, they were ones with nice windows, and side lites, and they smashed those too. They couldn't wait to act like the cops on TV, and all they had to do was turn the doorknob...

When I told the cops I rent my hunting land to that they were getting booted off my property and why... [same police department, different divisions] I finally got a visit from a police officer, and an appology, but no one repaid me for my expenses for the damage done to my house... I gave the guy an earfull too!!

We live in a gestappo run society, and the ones the gestappo types are 'gunning for' are the very people who vote for people who want to disarm the citizens... think about it...

Greg L
Last edited by Richard S. on Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:42 am, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Split from gun thread, should be noted choice of title was mine and not LsFarm.
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Re: Gun Thread

PostBy: Berlin On: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:53 pm

In all honesty greg, if you suspected or knew about any illegal activity, you should have evicted them for that reason, or something else that violated the lease. As an owner of rental properties myself, i don't have a problem with the police doing what they did, if they had a warrent, you never know how violent the individuals inside the home may be, regardless of how "hard" the drugs are that they are involved with; not reimbursing the landlord is fine, it helps landlords have an interest in what type of activity is going on in their houses, and is an additional way to put more societal pressure on those that are involved in illegal activity.
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Re: Gun Thread

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:29 pm

Hi berlin, I had no idea that there was anything illegal going on, but the police action was way overboard, and even my police aquaintances agree that it was way overboard. the proof was that the plants being grown would be only enough to satisfy a single person's average use.

the Damage done to my rental house was way overboard,, a rough analogy would be you get stopped by the police for speeding 10-15 over the limit.. they pull guns on you, and call in several other cruiser cars, so soon there are 6-8 cops, all 'in heat' looking for some action...

the cops are pathetic, this is a wealthy county, the cops have all the funding, and all the toys, cars, swat team, training and nothing to do..

so they made a mountain out of a mole-hill and smashed my house all up.. I hope they felt like 'real men' that day, and maybe they told tall taies to their wives and got 'lucky' that night 'cause they were such 'real men' and heros to save the county from a bag of weed...

I have NO respect for this type of overreaction. And the Deputies that lease my hunting land agree that it was a way over the top action.

Greg.
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Re: Gun Thread

PostBy: gaw On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:00 am

LsFarm wrote:
the cops are pathetic, this is a wealthy county, the cops have all the funding, and all the toys, cars, swat team, training and nothing to do..


They have all those expensive toys and just can't wait for an excuse to use them.
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Re: Gun Thread

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:15 am

Same thing in my neck of the woods, there is very little real crime in the area so they pounce when they think they have even the slightest reason to do so whether justified or not. I've lived here for more than 30 years and most of the old-time cops I knew by name and they knew me but most have retired now, lots of young new guys that seem to be here and gone in few years. The old timers were on the force for their entire careers. One of the newbies stopped me and my brother on our bikes. :lol: We ran out of beer the one night so made a beer run 3 blocks down the road to the local bar and he stopped us on the way back, even mentioned that it was illegal to drive a bike under the influence and I swear he was actually thinking of giving a sobriety test. One thing to understand is this a 25 mph street that is lucky to see 1 car every two or three hours at that time of night. The stopping part I could understand but he was quite ingnorant even after we showed him our ID's and the getting arrested for "BUI" was almost laughable.
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Re: Gun Thread

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:41 am

Richard S. wrote:Same thing in my neck of the woods I've lived here for more than 30 years and most of the old-time cops I knew by name and they knew me but most have retired now, lots of young new guys that seem to be here and gone in few years. The old timers were on the force for their entire careers. One of the newbies stopped me and my brother on our bikes.


Got the same thing with the New Hires one night in pajama bottoms and T-shirt jumped in the car and shot 4 blocks to the Post Office to drop an important letter in the morning box, one of the kids on the force hits the lights and pulls me over a block away from where I mailed the letter with a I didn’t see you mail anything and that was suspicious crap line,, so I got no license on me and he starts going FBI, says I need ID,,, so I open the glove compartment where I keep a discreet 9mm semi auto and my photo carry permit from the sheriffs office and give that to him .

Seemed it met his criteria for ID.
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Re: Cops on the Rampage

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:12 am

Seems like a worthy enough discussion to have its own thread. :P
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Re: Cops on the Rampage

PostBy: gaw On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:33 am

Richard S. wrote:Seems like a worthy enough discussion to have its own thread. :P

Thanks, I agree

I have a cousin that at one time lived next door to a bar. One night, after midnight, he left for work and was pulled over by the state police less than a half mile from home. Why? you may ask. Because he crossed the yellow line, of course! After the usual license and registration crap and where you going he was on his way. I'm sure the cop was disappointed not to smell any alcohol on him, after all his truck was parked outside the bar all evening.
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Re: Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:13 am

Generally most of my experiences with the state police have been quite good, I'll give you my most humorous cop story and this one was a Statey.

We're up the river, the same spot we're going to have get together this spring/fall. It's a hot Sunday afternoon of about 90+ degrees and we're all down in the river taking a swim. I forgot to take my wallet out of my shorts so I end up losing it in the river. :x Only wallet I ever lost but I was pretty young at the time and the only thing in it that was imporatant was the license, otherwise just a few bucks. Anyhow it's time to pack up and I have to load a canoe on the truck, I didn't have the proper straps so I just tie it in the back so it's sticking out quite bit. Completely safe but apparently the law is it can't be more than 3 feet even if you have a flag on it. Should also add that I had big bag of empty beer cans and few empty bottles of liquor. Didn't drink a drop that day though, good thing.

So I'm on my way home and the Statey pulls up beside me, he decides to pull me over because of the canoe. Of course the first request is license, registration and insurance. The license of course I no longer have because it was sacrificed to the river gods. The registration for the truck is in my Uncles name and not mine. He seems to believe me about the license and actually seems to show some pity, to quote "You mean you lost your whole wallet?". So I go to give him the truck documents while he's reaching for the information my dog lunges from passenger seat and tries to take chunk out of his hand. He takes my name and address too.This was right around the time they started putting computers in the cop cars and I think he might have been able to verify it was me that way.

So after determining I'm who I say I am he gives the truck information back and he says I'll have to fix the canoe if want to proceed. I start unpacking the stuff in it, out comes the empty bottles, out comes the beer cans... :lol: He's sweating now and all he's doing is standing there, its really hot. Hell I'm sweating and I'm just in shorts. I'm by myself so I'm struggling with it a bit to get it on the roof and he decides to give me hand. So I get the damn thing on the roof with his help and look over and he's sweating bullets... :lol: After I get it strapped as best I can he takes a look at it and sees why I didn't strap it to roof to begin with. He looks at it... ponders, then decides I can't leave it like that.

So off it comes from the roof with the assistance of the Statey and back to its original position, at this time he's sweating profusely and probably wishes he never went to work that day. He gives me verbal warning and says its illegal and takes off... Probably made good story for him too... Almost got bit by dog, guy has no license, truck full of empty alcohol containers and to top it off has canoe sticking out the back of the truck 8 feet.
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Re: Cops on the Rampage

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:17 pm

gaw wrote:
Richard S. wrote:Seems like a worthy enough discussion to have its own thread. :P

Thanks, I agree

I have a cousin that at one time lived next door to a bar. One night, after midnight, he left for work and was pulled over by the state police less than a half mile from home. Why? you may ask. Because he crossed the yellow line, of course! After the usual license and registration crap and where you going he was on his way. I'm sure the cop was disappointed not to smell any alcohol on him, after all his truck was parked outside the bar all evening.


There was a state cop here who was trooper of the year in 1989 for the most DUI arrests in the state. His method sounds alot like like the cop you describe. He would cruise by all the local watering holes and just wait for someone to leave. Follow them for a half mile or so and hit the lights. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. Some years later, he got fired. Now he's the local septic pumper. They call him the pooper trooper.
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Re: Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:31 pm

I'd imagine the supervisors frown on such tatics.
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Re: Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: ktm rider On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:42 pm

Greg,

I think If i were you I wouldn't let this go quitely. i would do a few things. First I would request a meeting with the mayor and /or County Commissioners and the Chief of Police. I once had a beef with the local clown cop and that is how it was resolved.

A letter to the editor or a call to the local paper works wonders also. You know this police departmet doesn't want any negative publicity.

If that doesn't work you could always raise the price of the yearly membership to L's Farm hunting club to right about $2,000 !!! I would let the cop/hunters know this right before hunting season starts so they won't have time to find another property to hunt. if they ask why, just tell them if they can think of another way for you to get the money to pay for the damages you won't raise the price. Remember, the only person who has a right to hunt your land is you. Badge or not, it is only a privledge for them to hunt your land, and you determine if you want to grant them that priveledge.

You know as well as I do the cops that are hunting your property know the cops that did the damage and probably gave them all high fives !! They know whats going on in their brotherhood even though they will deny it..
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Re: Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: coalstoves On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:47 pm

ktm rider wrote:Greg,

I think If i were you I wouldn't let this go quitely. i would do a few things. First I would request a meeting with the mayor and /or County Commissioners and the Chief of Police. I once had a beef with the local clown cop and that is how it was resolved.


Yeah but sometimes old saying Like

Ya Can't Fight City Hall

are based in fact learned thru aggravation and frustration
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Re: Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: rberq On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:58 pm

The traffic stops because "you crossed the yellow line" are what the cops freely call "pretext stops". They have good intentions, I suppose, they just want to catch the drunks. They admit it is illegal, they aren't allowed to stop you without probable cause, but it's easy to find a cause by saying you appeared to be driving erratically. A friend was stopped for taking off unusually quickly (not speeding, just promptly when the red light changed to green. The next week he was stopped for NOT starting off promptly when the light changed. Both times at night, of course.

As for the guys breaking down doors to find a couple pot plants, I have no respect at all. Every summer we see the helicopters flying around, looking for the right shade of green, thousands of dollars to fly the copters, thousands of man hours, to seize a few dozen plants. Repression has become an institutionalized business in this country, Prohibition in a new guise, funded by the federal government, with its own interest groups fighting to keep the repressive laws in place because that's where their income comes from.
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Re: Good Cop, Bad Cop

PostBy: ktm rider On: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:25 pm

coalstoves wrote:
ktm rider wrote:Greg,

I think If i were you I wouldn't let this go quitely. i would do a few things. First I would request a meeting with the mayor and /or County Commissioners and the Chief of Police. I once had a beef with the local clown cop and that is how it was resolved.


Yeah but sometimes old saying Like

Ya Can't Fight City Hall

are based in fact learned thru aggravation and frustration
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