Getting More Fire or Flame on the Coal of a Pioneer

 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:41 pm

Ok, thanks. The dealer put it together before I picked it up, so I will shut her down and take a look.

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Post by McGiever » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:42 pm

Should not that fire start/begin up higher than what is shown?

Your air is too little...
Dirty fan.
Bad or loose gasket under grate
Excess fines accumulated under grate

 
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Post by tsb » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:47 pm

Dealer put it together? Now it makes sense. You'll see the problem when you see how the grate is installed on the blower frame.

 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:49 pm

Well the unit is brand new, and has been lit for a little over a week, so I doubt the air is blocked.

It is most likely leaking and not getting to the pot.

Thanks for your help!!!!!!!

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Post by Olllotj » Sun. Nov. 09, 2014 8:21 pm

My new stoker had a cracked gasket this year, and I had the same problem.

 
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Post by Uglysquirrel » Sun. Nov. 09, 2014 9:13 pm

McGiever wrote:Seems simple enough, the air being added by the combustion blower is leaking/bypassing and not being totally delivered to the fire bed.
Look for the grate to be too loose with combustion air leaking out from not being sealed well enough.

If grate is found to be tight...then excess fines below the grate has reached a level to partially block the combustion air amount.
Sounds like a combustion air issue.

Remove the grate ensuring the rear seal stays in place. Clean the box under the grate , it may be nearly full of coal fines. Last, inspect the combustion fan fins under high intensity light, ensure all dust is brushed off each fin, a small firm bristled brush will work nicely. Grate back on firmly as above while checking rear seal proper install.

 
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Post by CoaldHeat » Mon. Nov. 10, 2014 7:51 am

Also make sure you are not using the "quiet combustion blower" (it has a plate that swivels to adust the air into the squirrel cage). The Pioneer will throw some serious heat if it's needed.


 
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Post by Matthaus » Mon. Nov. 10, 2014 1:06 pm

As already stated, check the inlet of the combustion fan and open the damper plate all the way, it sounds like it is closed. Many of the new combustion fans have this inlet damper cover and there should be a sticker on it saying to open at least half way. During the spring and fall you can close it slightly should there be moisture in the hopper lid which indicates insufficient draft, other than that open it all the way.

 
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Post by daluds » Wed. Nov. 19, 2014 10:30 pm

FireBrand - Did you fix it?

 
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Post by nwaelder » Thu. Nov. 20, 2014 8:03 am

I spoke to someone a couple of days ago who had a new Pioneer that was not putting out much heat. He stated that he had a full grate burning, and that glowing coal was at the edge near the ash pan. I had him check the settings and he reported that the MAX was set to 15 points. (Should be about 40.) We went through test mode and everything worked properly.

I asked him if the combustion blower had a damper plate on it. He didn't know and could not easily check. That same evening he left a message and said he found and opened the air damper on the combustion blower. He set MAX back where it belongs and is getting all the heat he expects.

 
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Post by Flyer5 » Sat. Nov. 22, 2014 1:09 am

Because of some people having marginal chimney's we now have inlet plates on the combustion fans. There is a label stating that it needs to be opened and adjusted but some people miss it We may have to think about placing another label on the feeder box as well.

 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 22, 2014 9:02 am

Thank you all for your responses.

We this little $2800.00 little bugger is going through 2 and 3 hoppers of coal per 24 hour period, and not burning it.

I had two trips to Texas, driving, so I have not been able to get to working on it (of which I should not have to since the dealer put it together.

I have been mixing the coal with wood pellets just to keep it burning and this morning it was out.

We did notice that there was cold air blowing up through and between the back of the stove and the hopper, so I am assuming that this is not suppose to be happening and that this is the leak that one of you suggested is the problem.

BTW- The manufacturer is not answering their phones at the office.

Tell you what leasure line. If this thing is not running by tonight, I am loading it into the pickup next week and bringing it up. The refund check better be ready or I will literally drive it through the front door and dump it off.

I have 5 children in the house, the stove is new, and I am just sick and tired of spending hard earned money on junk, and getting ripped off.

If I do get it to work, no worries.

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Post by Olllotj » Sat. Nov. 22, 2014 10:25 am

Obviously you aren't getting the air from the blower up through the grates properly. There is a little learning curve to these stoves, but they're extremely simple once it clicks.

So settle down, and look at the smaller blower on the back of that new beauty, then figure out why the air isn't getting through the holes on the burn grate.

If you notice leisure line has responded to your thread by the way.

 
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Post by Olllotj » Sat. Nov. 22, 2014 10:32 am

Make sure if there's a damper on that fan that it is open.

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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 22, 2014 10:46 am

It did not come with one.
Olllotj wrote:Make sure if there's a damper on that fan that it is open.


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