Getting More Fire or Flame on the Coal of a Pioneer

 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 12:19 pm

I little background. We have had the Harman Magnum 44 for years, and it simply got to the point where the replacement parts would not function properly.

So, by recommendation we just bought and installed the Pioneer top vent.

As of right now, I will not get into what I see as design flaws, but my main issue for this thread is.....

I have a full burn pot of burning coal but it is simply not burning "hot." Very little flame. No control to put more air on the coal itself to help feed the fire. Or at least I am not finding it in the control manual or video.

And the result is when the main fan comes on the blow hot air from the stove into the room, we get cool, just cold air coming off of the stove, and that is with a full cherry on the coal.

Normally I should not be able to touch the top or sides of the stove with my bare hands, and this is not the case. It is no problem to touch.

Any thoughts of wisdom that can correct my use of this stove???

Thank you in advance.

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Post by scoobydoo » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 2:24 pm

I figured there would be people jumping all over this thread to help out.I'll try my best.I have the same stove and have yet to fire it up.Can you describe the install?i.e. Power vent,chimney,barometric damper.

 
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Post by mozz » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 3:33 pm

The top of the stove is not the firebox, it won't be as hot as the direct metal surrounding the fire.

 
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Post by crazy4coal » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 4:00 pm

Do you have the cords for the motors plugged into the right cords on the coaltrol?

 
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Post by freetown fred » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 5:39 pm

What coal-troll?????????

 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 5:41 pm

Yes I do, they are color coded.

Thank you.

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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 6:41 pm

A photo of what you think is full cherry might help. If it going flat out the heat has to be going somewhere. So let's look at full cherry also what is your flu temp.


 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 6:51 pm

A full cherry is the entire burn pot being lit up but 1"2 inch from the edge all the way to the back, and up to the top edge of the sides.

It is full and it is cherry.

It has a simmering flame and nothing more. You want to pump up the heat that comes out, and crank the blower fan, it just cools right on down.

So when it gets cold out, and I go to put out some heat I am really going to be messed up.

I have no idea what the flu temp is.........the bara damper control is closed until the wind blows then it is back and forth. Today it remains closed.

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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 6:52 pm

And I have been burning coal for a few years, and I know that this thing should be able to put out some heat.

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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:04 pm

I have had two Poconos and I am using one of them right now. More or less the same stove. When "full cherry" is running it puts out a ton of heat and if contained within the box as the fan is now distributing the heat it would get very hot indeed and would shut down. This is another coal stove putting out less heat than yours (max 75,000 btu)



That is not quite full cherry for that stove perhaps half cherry . If that is going on in your stove there is no way the distribution fans blow cold. So I ask again - it that full cherry to you?
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Post by McGiever » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:09 pm

Seems simple enough, the air being added by the combustion blower is leaking/bypassing and not being totally delivered to the fire bed.
Look for the grate to be too loose with combustion air leaking out from not being sealed well enough.

If grate is found to be tight...then excess fines below the grate has reached a level to partially block the combustion air amount.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:17 pm

Whichever, the point I am trying to establish first is that the fire would not look like the video.

 
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Post by McGiever » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:25 pm

coalnewbie wrote:Whichever, the point I am trying to establish first is that the fire would not look like the video.
Didn't mean for my reply to come after your's...I'm a slow typer.

 
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Post by FireBrand » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:29 pm

The you tube yes.........I cannot get a cherry that good, that is what I am looking for.

The pot is full of red coal but little to no flame.

Here is a photo. It shows less coal being burned than the naked eye.

Thanks for the help guys.

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coalnewbie wrote:I have had two Poconos and I am using one of them right now. More or less the same stove. When "full cherry" is running it puts out a ton of heat and if contained within the box as the fan is now distributing the heat it would get very hot indeed and would shut down. This is another coal stove putting out less heat than yours (max 75,000 btu)



That is not quite full cherry for that stove perhaps half cherry . If that is going on in your stove there is no way the distribution fans blow cold. So I ask again - it that full cherry to you?
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Post by tsb » Sat. Nov. 08, 2014 8:34 pm

That's not right. Your grate is not sealed properly.
Make sure the gasket is in place and the grate is pushed down fully.


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