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Post by Richard S. » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 6:08 am

I see plenty of idiots on both sides of the aisle trying to twist this into something it isn't to fit their own agenda.

What is net neutrality?

The principal of net neutrality simply means that data moving across a network is treated the same no matter where it's coming from or where it's going. This has nothing to do with the speed the consumer is paying for or what the server can provide, instead it's how that data is treated between those two points. If you are paying for slow connection net neutrality isn't going to magically make your connection faster, if you have a crap server it isn't magically going to make your server faster. It only means that you will get equal access to whatever sites or services you are using. This is how the internet has operated since it began.

If we are to assume the consumer is paying for 5Mbps connection:
  • Connects to any site or service capable of 5Mbps and gets 5Mbps, net neutrality achieved.
  • Connects to a site capable of 5Mbps and gets 5Mbps, connects to another capable of 1Mbps and gets 1Mbps, net neutrality achieved.
  • Connects to any site or service capable of 10Mbps and gets 5Mbps, net neutrality achieved.
  • Connects to a site capable of 5Mbps and gets 5Mbps, connects to another capable of 5Mbps and gets 1Mbps, net neutrality NOT achieved.
The arguments are going back and forth about this. The left is yelling about allowing the ISP's being able to discriminate against traffic and on this point they are correct. The right is complaining about new regulations, taxes and fees and they 100% right too.

Net neutrality is absolutely important if you want to maintain a nice level playing field amongst content providers however to achieve that the ISP needs to be allowed to offer tiered service on the consumer end. That tiered service has to provide equal access to any site or service you want to use. If you pay for a 1Mbps connection you'll get 1Mbps for any site or service. Pay for faster speeds and you'll get equally faster speeds assuming the server on the other end can support them.

Obama almost had it right BUT he is proposing that ISP's be regulated under Title II of the Telecommunications act that governs phone companies. That would trigger an avalanche of new regulations, taxes and fees. You know that USF fee on your phone bill that is used to pay for things like the "Obamaphones"? That will show up on your internet bill if Obama's proposal goes forward.

It's beyond me how neither side can get something so simple so wrong. Net neutrality is important but equally as important is not imposing a bunch of new regulations on the ISP's and robbing the public blind with yet another tax.

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 7:33 am

Richard,

I just recently started to feel comfortable that I understood the internet. After reading your post I can see how misplaced my comfort... WAS . So what are we to do? Everywhere you dare to look in the dark corners of your financial world, you find some blood sucking leach after your money . Fees , taxes , surcharges , and on and on it goes. Corporate America is as bad as the Govt. Again, what are we to do?

 
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Post by Richard S. » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 8:43 am

All I can tell you is this Waldo, for the past 20years the ISP's have adhered to the principals of net neutrality. Their business model has been to oversell their product with "unlimited" plans knowing in the past that most people were just going to use it for email and viewing a a few websites. That is no longer sustainable with the advent of all these high bandwidth services like Netflix.

They want to keep the "unlimited" plans and offload the costs onto the content provider who already has their own costs for bandwidth. That will create an uneven playing field. The only viable solution to maintain net neutrality is to charge the customer for the bandwidth and speeds they are using.

The proposal by Obama is taking a a very real issue that needs to be resolved and turning it into an opportunity to fleece the public. You will get net neutrality under what he proposes. You're also going to get an avalanche of regulations and fees.

 
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Post by waldo lemieux » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 9:14 am

So what your saying is that nothing is going to change , We will have the same service and we will be taxed some more and have to smile , bend over , and like it..... :cry:


 
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Post by SMITTY » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 9:30 am

Well one thing is for certain: when the government gets involved in ANY type of industry, you can expect mismanagement, inefficiency, fraud/corruption, & FEEEEEEEEES.

The only thing the government does well is create ways to screw the populace out of as much money as humanly possible, without starting a full scale revolt. They will push the limits every second, until those limits continue to inch upward. And the sheep will bleat with complacency ....

 
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Post by Richard S. » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 12:22 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:So what your saying is that nothing is going to change , We will have the same service and we will be taxed some more and have to smile , bend over , and like it..... :cry:
What I'm saying is net neutrality is important, the Obama administration hijacking the topic to impose new regulations and fees is not.

 
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Post by scalabro » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 3:59 pm

To bad the electric bill is not like the cable/internet bill!

I'd heat my house with electricity ;)

 
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Post by Richard S. » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 4:36 pm

scalabro wrote:To bad the electric bill is not like the cable/internet bill!

I'd heat my house with electricity ;)
Exactly, if you're going to offer someone "unlimited" something they are going to use it. The ISP's are complaining about it yet they don't want to change their pricing structure to meet the needs of current demand.


 
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Post by davidmcbeth3 » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 4:40 pm

access to service/web site is just one aspect of "net neutrality"...also included are free speech issues ... this is where the gov't fails in getting support to require an equal amt of opposing views on sites. Its a goofy and dangerous law that's meant to insure that communist rhetoric must be displayed.

 
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Post by Davian » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 6:43 pm

Richard S. wrote:
waldo lemieux wrote:So what your saying is that nothing is going to change , We will have the same service and we will be taxed some more and have to smile , bend over , and like it..... :cry:
What I'm saying is net neutrality is important, the Obama administration hijacking the topic to impose new regulations and fees is not.
The regulations say "you can't throttle specific ISPs"...that is a good thing.

All telecommunications companies pay that same fee...nothing new there. Have you ever looked at your cell phone bill? Its outlined on every single bill I get.

 
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Post by Davian » Mon. Nov. 17, 2014 6:44 pm

davidmcbeth3 wrote:access to service/web site is just one aspect of "net neutrality"...also included are free speech issues ... this is where the gov't fails in getting support to require an equal amt of opposing views on sites. Its a goofy and dangerous law that's meant to insure that communist rhetoric must be displayed.
That has to be the dumbest *censored* thing I've ever read. Net Neutrality has absolutely nothing to do with any of what you just posted.

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This is the best explanation of net neutrality and what the internet providers are trying to do.

 
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