Blaschak coal initial review

Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:12 pm

Welcome to the forum KLook. Where are you located?? Put a post in the 'introduce yourself' thread or one in the 'pictures of your stove thread, with a pic of your coal burner...and, If you would, fill in your signature with your location.!

Lots of reading and information available from a LOT of veteran coal burners here...

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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:36 pm

KLook, I have burned almost exclusively Kimmel, not because I was smart (first year with coal!) but because it was readily available here and was $40 per ton lower than the Blaschak dealer. I have had very few problems -- a couple stovefuls that burned poorly, but mostly very good. I HAVE found that it varies noticeably from bag to bag, but from reading this forum apparently others find that to be true no matter what they are burning.
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:48 pm

Can someone explain to me why one coal compared to another would make 100 degrees difference in stove temperature, unless one was drastically inferior? I have tried three different types -- Blaschak, Kimmel, and "Sherman" from a bulk dealer who bags it himself. All resulted in about the same residual ash, which says to me that all had roughly the same carbon content. So, one carbon atom being like every other carbon atom, it would seem that all three should have produced the same total heat.

I'm not trying to dispute those who have found noticeable differences between brands, I'm just trying to understand what accounts for the difference????
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: e.alleg On: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:44 pm

Well to further the discussion the Blaschak makes a real dark red ash, vs the other stuff I've been burning makes a pink/grey oatmeal color ash. The Blaschak also makes less ash, at least 20% less in the pan. Consumption seems to remain the same, so I don't really understand where the extra weight is going if it's not making heat or ash, maybe it's burning up into flyash.
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:58 pm

rberq wrote:Can someone explain to me why one coal compared to another would make 100 degrees difference in stove temperature, unless one was drastically inferior? I have tried three different types -- Blaschak, Kimmel, and "Sherman" from a bulk dealer who bags it himself. All resulted in about the same residual ash, which says to me that all had roughly the same carbon content. So, one carbon atom being like every other carbon atom, it would seem that all three should have produced the same total heat.

I'm not trying to dispute those who have found noticeable differences between brands, I'm just trying to understand what accounts for the difference????
First Red Ash is not made by the carbon It is made by the amount of Iron in it As it was formed Some coal Veins has Higher Iron content Then others That makes them Red Ash Veins Second Sherman coal should be white ash not Red Ash I live 10 Miles from there breaker I have Burned Tons of There coal it is always white ash Do to the Vein of coal there in Unless they have moved to another vein or Mixing there coal with some one's elses The last Time I bought it Was 12-21-06 So They could of change They were geting there coal from Black Diamond Mining INC Refuse coal . and Mountaintop coal mining INC.Surface mining coal Both are up in the Elysburg PA Area Kimmel coal gets there coal From Meadowbrook coal co.Inc REFUSE Coal Lykens PA Here are some Links to show you Unless you are from this Area you would Not Know this ;)


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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:25 pm

coalberner, I did burn a few bags of Sherman, and as you say it was white ash. Seemed to burn quite well, but I couldn't quite get linked up with the dealer when I needed to buy -- he is new to the business and seemed a bit disorganized. Next year I will try a couple tons, or maybe this summer if he's giving off-season discounts (I wonder if that happens????)

I still want to know why some coal burns hotter than others, assuming the same ash content in both???? Anybody know????
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:21 pm

e.alleg wrote:Well to further the discussion the Blaschak makes a real dark red ash, vs the other stuff I've been burning makes a pink/grey oatmeal color ash. The Blaschak also makes less ash, at least 20% less in the pan. Consumption seems to remain the same, so I don't really understand where the extra weight is going if it's not making heat or ash, maybe it's burning up into flyash.


I used Blaschak last year, about 10 bags. It was white ash. The Blaschak you've been burning must be from a different mine. As that type of coal goes, it was reasonable good.
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:59 pm

rberq wrote:coalberner, I did burn a few bags of Sherman, and as you say it was white ash. Seemed to burn quite well, but I couldn't quite get linked up with the dealer when I needed to buy -- he is new to the business and seemed a bit disorganized. Next year I will try a couple tons, or maybe this summer if he's giving off-season discounts (I wonder if that happens????)

I still want to know why some coal burns hotter than others, assuming the same ash content in both???? Anybody know????
The Ash Content real don't mean it will burn Hotter It is the Iron Content that Makes it burn Hotter Like Red Ash coal What Makes Ash content Higher in some coal and lower in other is the amount impurities/ dirt that was formed with the vein of coal or when it is mined If you go to a good coal Breaker they can get most of the unwant's out of it when they process the coal some have to put some back in with the coal if the ash content is to low because the coal will not burn right it will clinker up expecially in a stoker stove / stoker boiler any unit that has force air helping to burn the coal Lower ash coal is not always the best any coal that is under 5% will not burn correct that is why some breaker and more coal dirt back in to get the ash content up so it can burn correct
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: ken On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:42 pm

yesterday i put in 2 bags and the coal was real small peices , both bags. most bags there's a mixture of peices. the coal had like no heat from it and burned up faster than normal. i opened the door and hot coals where coming off the grate. the adjustment on feed has been the same for months , about 2" of ash. be glad when she's empty to put some more in. it was just strange ????????
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: noeasywayout On: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:29 am

I just tried burning Blasckak in my wood coal woodstove. Lot's of good tips in this forum-thanks. It's been 20 years since I burned coal but it seemed not as hot as I remembered. It burned very clean & consistant. Are the other coals (Reading etc) as clean & environmentally friendly as Blaschak claims? Also, any reccommendations of combined wood/coal burning? We have wood on my lot that is free if you don't count the time cutting & hauling. It seemed that the coal didn't burn as well when I turned down the damper. Is this typical of coal or just this brand.Also the stack temp is lower than the wood, what should it be?
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: Coal Jockey On: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:13 am

noeasywayout,
Something must be wrong with your stove. Never blame the coal until you have ruled out all possible stove/draft issues. In my furnace I can literally melt the thing down with coal, whereas wood, no matter how hard I push it, can never heat 'er cherry red. I burn Kimmels - Stove for a long slow heat, and Nut for a blast furnace type of fire. I would guess that you are starving your fire for air. Open 'er up! You get heat from the coal bed, so keep it deep. I like to run between a 10 to 14 inch deep bed of coals in a firebox 16" wide by 24" long.
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: e.alleg On: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:20 pm

Well I give up on trying to figure this out. I burned a 1/2 ton of Blaschak and the ash was very dark red and there was very little ash, about 5% if I was to guess. Keep in mind the bags all look the same, the Santa Clause bags. Yesterday I burned 160 pounds and the ash pan was overfull with a very light Grey ash for most of it. That means some of these bags contain coal that produces 20% ash, some produce 5%, it all costs the same and is impossible to identify when purchasing. I wasn't watching the fire but I suspect the higher ash stuff takes more coal to keep the house warm, 160# is a lot for one day.
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: coal berner On: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:39 pm

e.alleg wrote:Well I give up on trying to figure this out. I burned a 1/2 ton of Blaschak and the ash was very dark red and there was very little ash, about 5% if I was to guess. Keep in mind the bags all look the same, the Santa Clause bags. Yesterday I burned 160 pounds and the ash pan was overfull with a very light Grey ash for most of it. That means some of these bags contain coal that produces 20% ash, some produce 5%, it all costs the same and is impossible to identify when purchasing. I wasn't watching the fire but I suspect the higher ash stuff takes more coal to keep the house warm, 160# is a lot for one day.
Ed if was 5% ash it would of clinker up maybe 7 to 8% with blaschak you will never see 5% with it most of it will be 10% and up The problem with them is they mine in three different counties and are in 16 different Veins of coal so you never know what coal you are buying They have two breaker's The Quality is to inconsistent same goes for Reading witch most of there coal now is Refuse look at the links


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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: WIcoal On: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:36 pm

e.alleg wrote:Well I give up on trying to figure this out. I burned a 1/2 ton of Blaschak and the ash was very dark red and there was very little ash, about 5% if I was to guess. Keep in mind the bags all look the same, the Santa Clause bags. Yesterday I burned 160 pounds and the ash pan was overfull with a very light Grey ash for most of it. That means some of these bags contain coal that produces 20% ash, some produce 5%, it all costs the same and is impossible to identify when purchasing.

I took a tour of the main Blaschak mine at Mahanoy City. I was told that they have 5 piles of somewhat different coal and the front end loader takes more from one pile or less from another pile to maintain the above average quality they want in their bags; as they test all day long. So that means that a certain number of bags could be somewhat different, as there are variables in coal. Does anyone know what the variables are, in Anthracite coal?

I spoke to a coal dealer in Wautoma, WI. They told me that their Amish customers tell them that Coopersburg and Mountain Top coal is better than Blaschak; and so they are going to sell it, and at a lower price. I was told to do a search for those names and bagged coal. Well I did not find any mention of either brand. Can anyone tell who makes both, where they are mined, and if you think they are better than Blasckak, and how.
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Re: Blaschak coal initial review

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:18 pm

Maybe your setup affects the results but I "fought through" a ton of Reading Coal in my Harman TLC-2000 last winter that jammed my stove every few days. I've been burning Blaschak for many years with absolutely no problems. I can't speak to heat output, but the Reading was not noticeably hotter too me & it was like try to shake down gravel)
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