Building a New Era Base Burner

jubileejerry · Post by **jubileejerry** » Wed. Jul. 01, 2015 3:21 pm

There's a Fastenal in Sioux City, Ia, only 25 mi. from here. Jerry

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Wed. Jul. 01, 2015 8:23 pm

jubileejerry wrote:There's a Fastenal in Sioux City, Ia, only 25 mi. from here. Jerry

Hi JJ,

how ya been ?

if you actually are in the market for a replacement or spare barrel I would recommend contacting member Buck47 as he is in the north east corner of Iowa and has a local shop that are very good and already practiced at stove barrels.

another thing is that I haven't asked if the guys near me can do the rolled ribs in barrels for the antique type stoves.

steve

jubileejerry · Post by **jubileejerry** » Thu. Jul. 02, 2015 8:05 pm

KingCoal wrote:
jubileejerry wrote:There's a Fastenal in Sioux City, Ia, only 25 mi. from here. Jerry
Hi JJ,

how ya been ?

if you actually are in the market for a replacement or spare barrel I would recommend contacting member Buck47 as he is in the north east corner of Iowa and has a local shop that are very good and already practiced at stove barrels.

another thing is that I haven't asked if the guys near me can do the rolled ribs in barrels for the antique type stoves.

steve

I've been doing fine this summer, tearing down some old buildings on my place, hoping to salvage enough lumber to make a nice new porch on the house and include a new chimney so I can install the Wehrle in the house. Buck47 is already helping me by arranging for some coal to be delivered there for me this fall. It will be nice to go see him when it's time. I'm really not in a big bind to get the barrel made for the Locke, as I've had that thing for over 30 years and haven't done anything to it, since my other old stove, a little hot-blast wood/coal stove has always done a great job. I mainly was thinking about it now because of your story of getting yours fixed up. I suppose I should stay focused on getting the porch done instead of starting another project right now. Today I got a nice surprise from one of my customers. He deals in renewable energy projects and I take care of his chain saw. He saw the Wehrle on display in my store and went nuts over it. He asked about the coal it needs and never said much more about that, but today he came in with six bags of Blaschak nut in 40lb. bags and gave them to me. He had been back to Pennsylvania to visit relatives and before he returned home, he put the bags of coal on the floorboards of his car and made everyone with him ride with their feet on the bags! Needless to say, the work I did on his saw didn't cost him. Pretty cool, huh? Jerry

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Tue. Jul. 21, 2015 2:04 pm

i am going to take the liberty of cut / pasting a quote in here from the "Radiant Home 018 " thread because it will be advantageous to understanding what is going on later, in the stove I am building.

Radiant Home 018

i got my custom Locke 120 barrel yesterday from the fab guys. 19" dia x 42" tall. enough extra height to house a base chamber, extra radiant surface above the top of the fire pot that will allow for some mica hopefully and a magazine.

nicely done unit and welding provided at extra cost due to "one off / prototype" status for a startling total of $60.00 plus tax.

i AM living the dream !!

steve

deepwoods · Post by **deepwoods** » Tue. Jul. 21, 2015 6:11 pm

Hey guys I have located a Warm Morning 520. Would like to know where this model stands in the Warm Morning model lineup?? It's fairly close to me but do not want to make the trip if it's not a decent condition stove. Currently asking for pics of stove inside & out. Waiting for a reply.
I just did a search

and in this very thread found it is a 100lb. capacity stove. Ample for what I am looking for.

rberq · Post by **rberq** » Tue. Jul. 21, 2015 6:26 pm

KingCoal wrote:nicely done unit and welding provided at extra cost due to "one off / prototype" status for a startling total of $60.00 plus tax.

60 whole dollars? A bargain!

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Tue. Jul. 21, 2015 9:36 pm

deepwoods wrote:Hey guys I have located a Warm Morning 520. Would like to know where this model stands in the Warm Morning model lineup?? It's fairly close to me but do not want to make the trip if it's not a decent condition stove. Currently asking for pics of stove inside & out. Waiting for a reply.
I just did a search and in this very thread found it is a 100lb. capacity stove. Ample for what I am looking for.

yes, the Warm Morning Model 520 is virtually the same stove as the Locke 120 each have the same internals and have a 120# capacity when totally filled up.

1st, you want to be very sure of the condition of the grate support ring, the round grate and the center draw fork.

2nd, you want the bricks to be in good to very good condition. these are not available any more and replacements must be recast from good originals. you could have several hundred involved if you have to do the whole set.

3rd,you want a stove that all the cast iron, top , load door, ash pit frame and door, trim ring and legs are sound and tight fitting, not warped.

try to get the seller to provide clear well lit pics esp. the insides and post them here so we can help with pointers.

steve

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Tue. Jul. 21, 2015 10:06 pm

rberq wrote:
KingCoal wrote:nicely done unit and welding provided at extra cost due to "one off / prototype" status for a startling total of $60.00 plus tax.
60 whole dollars? A bargain!

yep, the first place I went quoted it at about 3 times that, then, on the second visit to finalize exactly what and how I wanted it done they were back peddling and whining around so I took it do a second shop.

they listened, added comments, and said basically "standard stuff all the way around, we'll do it for you and hope to get your production work"

when I went to pick it up they went to great lengths to justify the cost they were going to charge me for the "prototype status work" then asked for $60.00 !!

can't wait to see what they'll do sets of them for.

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Wed. Jul. 22, 2015 6:46 pm

here is a very rough mock up of the front of the custom Locke 120. in this pic are all the rest of the stoves for comparison.

the 2 other 120's to the far right and the 617 A in the foreground and finally the WM 524 on the near right.

the WM 524 is 47" to the flat top, same as my current converted box stove. the custom 120 is currently 55" tall to the flat top.

the area from the top of the lower trim ring to the top of the leg is 8" and slated for a base chamber. the next 8" up will be the ash pit as marked by the lower door position. above that will be 17" of original brick lined firpot followed by 8" of open radiant surface. in this area ( the front 1/4 of the circumference of the stove ) is where I hope to open some mica viewing windows. this will be the last feature added after I have fired the stove and proven ( hopefully ) that the base heater conversion works.

inside the upper lid and directly under the load door I will have a 8" dia. x 14" long magazine. the combined capacity of the shortened fire pot and the new magazine will equal the 120 #'s of the original design.

i will begin locating the gas bypass ports and passages this week. I also need to order a couple curved base exit collars, one for the direct mode exit from the combustion chamber and the other for the exit from the base chamber. I will also be using a stove mounted heat shield that I expect to also serve to enclose a double heater air path.

there will be a one way ( up ) back pipe on this stove from the base chamber up to a "T" connection at the combustion chamber and on to the chimney thimble just like the one on the converted box stove.

more pics to come as work progresses.

steve

deepwoods · Post by **deepwoods** » Wed. Jul. 22, 2015 7:31 pm

KingCoal wrote:
deepwoods wrote:Hey guys I have located a Warm Morning 520. Would like to know where this model stands in the Warm Morning model lineup?? It's fairly close to me but do not want to make the trip if it's not a decent condition stove. Currently asking for pics of stove inside & out. Waiting for a reply.
I just did a search and in this very thread found it is a 100lb. capacity stove. Ample for what I am looking for.
yes, the Warm Morning Model 520 is virtually the same stove as the Locke 120 each have the same internals and have a 120# capacity when totally filled up.

1st, you want to be very sure of the condition of the grate support ring, the round grate and the center draw fork.

2nd, you want the bricks to be in good to very good condition. these are not available any more and replacements must be recast from good originals. you could have several hundred involved if you have to do the whole set.

3rd,you want a stove that all the cast iron, top , load door, ash pit frame and door, trim ring and legs are sound and tight fitting, not warped.

try to get the seller to provide clear well lit pics esp. the insides and post them here so we can help with pointers.
Steve, Here is the CL listing. I sent questions. Cant be too anxious to sell as no word yet, but I possibly scared them off as my questions were to the point and request for good inside & outside pics. Visible rust could be surface or something worse. **Broken Link(S) Removed** Here's the one pic they provided. No reply, no buy! It is 100 miles away & not worth the trip.
Awesome heat machine you are building That baby is gonna need a name ya know. After all, the great baseburners of yore proudly wore a distinctive moniker chosen by the makers. It will be interesting to see how much it can outperform the first base burner you built.
steve

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Wed. Jul. 22, 2015 7:45 pm

DW,

there's no way the seller can have any hope of selling that stove to anyone that has a clue, esp. based on that pic.

the ash frame and door would need close examination to assure straight and true closure.

the barrel will need to be replaced.

the metal backers behind the 2 main firebricks will need to be inspected for warping, they can usually be straightened out on an anvil.

the bricks and grates will be suspect and that only resolved after seeing good enough pics to warrant the trip to check even closer.

with out any better evidence it would be a pass for me.

thanks for the compliment on the present project. there are so many things going on with this stove in original form, in base heater / double heater form it should far eclipse my converted box stove.

steve

deepwoods · Post by **deepwoods** » Thu. Jul. 23, 2015 9:30 am

Steve, I forgot to ask what gauge steel for the new barrel ?

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Thu. Jul. 23, 2015 10:04 am

we have been using 16 g. it rolls, holds shape and welds real good.

deepwoods · Post by **deepwoods** » Thu. Jul. 23, 2015 11:54 am

Thanks again for the unput. If & when I find my elusive Locke/Warm Morning I will consider it a "given" that the barrel be replaced. If those stoves have a weak spot the barrel seems to crop up frequently unless a rare lightly used unit would show up.
My quest for an antique Oak type is losing steam. They are out there but OH, the prices! I have enough invested in my Hitzer and DS and I bought them before I really understood the more efficient round stoves which is my bad. I still know they will get me thru brutal winters with less cost than alternate heat and that's what coal is all about.
You are installing a magazine in your new stove. Can a magazine be fashioned for a standard Locke without a great deal of modification to the upper end of the stove? Would a magazine even work in a standard model without the extra barrel height?

KingCoal · Post by **KingCoal** » Thu. Jul. 23, 2015 12:13 pm

it would take extra barrel length to get a mag. in an otherwise standard Locke / WM.

you would need at least 8" of extended barrel and drop the top of the fire brick by 4".

you would then be running about 100#'s in the fire pot and 20 more in the mag.

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