Building a New Era Base Burner

deepwoods wrote:You are installing a magazine in your new stove. Can a magazine be fashioned for a standard Locke without a great deal of modification to the upper end of the stove? Would a magazine even work in a standard model without the extra barrel height?

The Locke Stove Co. did consider their deep fire pot as a magazine and described it as such in their Warm Morning stoves. With their corner chimneys extending down to the burn zone it does act very much as a magazine stove.

Yes I agree. from the pics & video I have seen of the Locke/Warm Morning stoves burning, the coal load seems not very far from the load door level. They appeared very full to me. Of course considering the Locke 120 can hold 120 lbs. of coal it should appear "full".

franco b wrote:

deepwoods wrote:You are installing a magazine in your new stove. Can a magazine be fashioned for a standard Locke without a great deal of modification to the upper end of the stove? Would a magazine even work in a standard model without the extra barrel height?

The Locke Stove Co. did consider their deep fire pot as a magazine and described it as such in their Warm Morning stoves. With their corner chimneys extending down to the burn zone it does act very much as a magazine stove.

i agree, a fire pot capable of holding 120 #'s and replacing the top 20ish #'s every 24 hrs. could be considered a magazine.

what I am planing is a true mag. feed above what is already in the fire pot. so it will act much like my last stove for tending.

open load door, fill mag, close load door, shake ashes, open load door, refill mag, close load door , walk away. 3 minutes.

the new trick is, that I will be refilling less often and with less weight of recharge coal.

lets not forget that i'm talking about the Locke 120 and Warm Morning 520 stoves, they do not have the 'corner" flues, though they do have full depth "air injection" bricks at roughly 3 and 9 o'clock.

it should be noted that the Locke Stove Corp. warm morning stove is a model in that line. the later, Warm Morning brand stoves and models were a result of the company being sold and the production being altered by the later holders of the rights.

to the best of my knowledge, the rights were sold 2 more times and the last 2 holders didn't produce a single stove under this design.

U.S. Stove was the last to buy and hold the rights to my knowledge, though I seriously doubt if they even remember that fact, given what they currently produce.

KingCoal wrote:

franco b wrote: it should be noted that the Locke Stove Corp. warm morning stove is a model in that line. the later, Warm Morning brand stoves and models were a result of the company being sold and the production being altered by the later holders of the rights.

to the best of my knowledge, the rights were sold 2 more times and the last 2 holders didn't produce a single stove under this design.

U.S. Stove was the last to buy and hold the rights to my knowledge, though I seriously doubt if they even remember that fact, given what they currently produce.

I'll attest to that. I have a Us Stove company product.

i'll be back on the project this week. had some roof repairs to see to for a couple widow ladies in the community.

both had water running thru the ceiling, had given up asking family and public orginizations for help before I heard about them.

one had a landlord that told her if they had to come out and do something about it they would have to raise the rent.

i have little patience for people like that. what are they planning ? just let it ruin the whole house to the point it's condemned and toss the woman out in the street ?

unreal.

steve

KingCoal wrote:i'll be back on the project this week. had some roof repairs to see to for a couple widow ladies in the community.

both had water running thru the ceiling, had given up asking family and public orginizations for help before I heard about them.

one had a landlord that told her if they had to come out and do something about it they would have to raise the rent.

i have little patience for people like that. what are they planning ? just let it ruin the whole house to the point it's condemned and toss the woman out in the street ?

unreal.

steve

Good on you, Steve.

And, good to see another example that coal hearted people don't put up with cold hearted people !

Paul

IMO the landlord won't get rent when he is not repairing the roof.
The SHARK.

Well done King coal.

Peter

Well I am coal hearted and some mention of epic quality stoves. I have a Crane 44 and while maybe not a Crawford but my house was 74 on -17 nights and the oil furnace silent. Works for me. By the time I paid the premium for one then went through the agony of rebuilding the coal savings might be gone.

back on project as promised, though having to do just a hr. or 2 a night cause stuff keeps coming up.

so, now I have new bolts in the legs and lower trim rings and the top of the legs thru bolted to the barrel.

have the bottom of the new ash pit test fit over the top of the leg bolts and the thru bolt locations marked to support the grate ring.

next will be take the ash pit floor back out so I can see down to the base chamber floor. drill and attach the grate ring thru bolts, hang the grate ring and put the bricks in so I can lay out and open up the transfer channel openings and exits.

then measure the transfer channel lengths and take the bare barrel and the new work order to the fab shop to have the channels bent up and welded to the barrel.

stuff will go pretty quick from here on out.

steve

just some pics of progress fitting and test mounting various pieces.

Good progress Steve.

Seems so strange to see the ash drawer area so high on a stove body, but that'll sure give it a good sized base chamber !!!! And less leaning over to empty the ash pan.

How are you going to connect top to bottom chambers ?

Paul

thanks Paul.

this thread probably needs a new title since the project has changed from a full on 'white sheet" build of an internal by pass "base burner" to another conversion and an external by pass "base heater / double heater".

the depth of the base chamber was dictated by the height of the legs and the way they attach thru the barrel. besides, the floor of the ash pit is just 4" higher than the one on the converted box stove.

the base chamber is going to be fed by 2 transfer channels running down the back of the stove from just above the fire pot to the 2 outside thirds of the base chamber and flowing around to the front where they will merge into the center third and out the back of the chamber again.

there are still a few "secret" features i'm working on that tie things together and serve double duty.

i'll have another report after I get the transfer channels laid out and added to the barrel.

i also need to get my stove collars ordered and work on the magazine.

steve

did alittle more layout work tonight. got the transfer channels plotted and the exhaust collars centered between them. it's going to be pretty snug but i'm sure it will work.

started to get serious about providing some fire view, need to find a supplier of stove grade glass, any suggestions ?

the DSM is the first stove I've ever had with door glass.

I have a guy in the glass biz if I knew for sure what to ask for.

thanks,
steve

biggerpatterson wrote:Replacing Glass in Coal Stove

thanks alot, I thought it was ceramic but I like to ask to be certain.

having trade names helps too.

steve