Building a New Era Base Burner
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we are fast trackin' now
i've been looking for curved base cast iron exit collars and at the same time working out how to just build them if it came to that.
i've also been reading a couple minor stove makers descriptions of items they offer and while they have sounded like they could be pretty close to just right I haven't been able to locate any locally that I could check for fit first hand.
today that changed, I took the panel of barrel I cut out of the barrel for the ash pit door frame and went "shopping". BINGO 1st place I stopped had some of the parts form one of the brands I was looking for and I found them a very good match.
so I came home and ordered 2 collars and a 3rd "secret" piece i'll only reveal if in the end I get it to work out.
so, now I have to get home asap tomorrow night and do the final lay out and cutting of the transfer ports then disassemble the stove down to the bare barrel again and get it ready to go back to the weld shop early friday morning.
while the transfer tracks are in the works i'll move on to final modeling of the magazine and mounts in one of the other stove barrels.
when the new barrel comes back it will be "show time" for final cleaning, painting and assembly. i'm pretty excited about the way my staged drafting and modeling of features has come together so far, I think it's going to work.
steve
i've been looking for curved base cast iron exit collars and at the same time working out how to just build them if it came to that.
i've also been reading a couple minor stove makers descriptions of items they offer and while they have sounded like they could be pretty close to just right I haven't been able to locate any locally that I could check for fit first hand.
today that changed, I took the panel of barrel I cut out of the barrel for the ash pit door frame and went "shopping". BINGO 1st place I stopped had some of the parts form one of the brands I was looking for and I found them a very good match.
so I came home and ordered 2 collars and a 3rd "secret" piece i'll only reveal if in the end I get it to work out.
so, now I have to get home asap tomorrow night and do the final lay out and cutting of the transfer ports then disassemble the stove down to the bare barrel again and get it ready to go back to the weld shop early friday morning.
while the transfer tracks are in the works i'll move on to final modeling of the magazine and mounts in one of the other stove barrels.
when the new barrel comes back it will be "show time" for final cleaning, painting and assembly. i'm pretty excited about the way my staged drafting and modeling of features has come together so far, I think it's going to work.
steve
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Edison said he invents so he can keep on inventing.
It looks like you have been caught up in how stimulating creating something can be.
It looks like you have been caught up in how stimulating creating something can be.
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thanks franco, but i'm not all that sure this one deserves the "creating" badge any more than the last one. maybe "inventive alterations " , I am however having a fine time of it.franco b wrote:Edison said he invents so he can keep on inventing.
It looks like you have been caught up in how stimulating creating something can be.
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i need a little helpful reference.
can someone who has a GW #6 with an original #6 magazine in it tell me how far above the rim of the fire pot the discharge opening of the magazine is ?
thanks,
steve
can someone who has a GW #6 with an original #6 magazine in it tell me how far above the rim of the fire pot the discharge opening of the magazine is ?
thanks,
steve
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1-1/2 inches to maybe 2 inches. That's from the bottom of the magazine to the top of the level line at the top of the fire pot. Make sense?KingCoal wrote:i need a little helpful reference.
can someone who has a GW #6 with an original #6 magazine in it tell me how far above the rim of the fire pot the discharge opening of the magazine is ?
thanks,
steve
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More like 3 inches.
The recast mags are 19 inches tall. Add about a 1/4 inch to that length for casting shrinkage. So, about 19-1/4 tall for an original mag length, brings it to 3 inches above the original fire brick height.
Here's pix of a recast mag in my #6 with bricks at the original height.
Paul
The recast mags are 19 inches tall. Add about a 1/4 inch to that length for casting shrinkage. So, about 19-1/4 tall for an original mag length, brings it to 3 inches above the original fire brick height.
Here's pix of a recast mag in my #6 with bricks at the original height.
Paul
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ah very good, thanks for the additional pics Paul.
i can use that to give me the angle of slump and set the height with out having to move 120#'s of coal
now I can just work on the hardware.
though maybe not today, have a full schedule at work and a guy off with a sick child.
i can use that to give me the angle of slump and set the height with out having to move 120#'s of coal
now I can just work on the hardware.
though maybe not today, have a full schedule at work and a guy off with a sick child.
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if the height was 3.5" the slope would be 45* of course so, it's about 40* in the GW #6 example and the face of the slope is about 4.5" long from mag lip to brick face.
this is easy to replicate in my stove, i'll use a bottom dia. of 9" and hold it 2.5" up. this will give me about 35* of slope with the same 4.5" face. it will also give me just slightly more protection from coal spilling over the bricks.
now I've got to get back to work cause it's worse than expected here this morning. go figure
this is easy to replicate in my stove, i'll use a bottom dia. of 9" and hold it 2.5" up. this will give me about 35* of slope with the same 4.5" face. it will also give me just slightly more protection from coal spilling over the bricks.
now I've got to get back to work cause it's worse than expected here this morning. go figure
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well, i'm still working at it. seems I know this late summer crush of stuff is going to come along every yr. and tell myself to get a move on earlier and not have to struggle to keep things moving. sadly, I don't ever seem to get in front of it esp. only getting about 3-4 hrs a week of quality time in on the project.
anyway, I got my exit collars Monday this week and another piece of cast work that is going to allow me a 6.65" dia. fire view port into the stove.
if it works out, the stoves going to look like a tall version of the cyclops minion.
i could get another one and mount them side by side but because of the 19" dia. of the barrel they would be facing kind of far away from each other. when I used a cardboard model to simulate the second one it really threw off the balance of the look of the stove.
if I could have found a wider one and had a rectangle or oval window it would have been cooler but this will get the wife back on my side. she really liked the large door window on the DSM 1400.
tomorrow I hope to actually cut the transfer tract ports into the combustion and base chambers. then, a week later than I hoped get back to the fab shop for the last of the welding.
anyway, I got my exit collars Monday this week and another piece of cast work that is going to allow me a 6.65" dia. fire view port into the stove.
if it works out, the stoves going to look like a tall version of the cyclops minion.
i could get another one and mount them side by side but because of the 19" dia. of the barrel they would be facing kind of far away from each other. when I used a cardboard model to simulate the second one it really threw off the balance of the look of the stove.
if I could have found a wider one and had a rectangle or oval window it would have been cooler but this will get the wife back on my side. she really liked the large door window on the DSM 1400.
tomorrow I hope to actually cut the transfer tract ports into the combustion and base chambers. then, a week later than I hoped get back to the fab shop for the last of the welding.
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well, here we go. a couple pics of the transfer ports roughed in.
from here i'll clean them up then off to the fab shop to have the 33" long x 4" wide and 3" deep "c" channels and end caps formed up and welded on the vertical lines along side and between the ports.
next I have to go to another shop a friend of mine works in and see if he can water jet me 2, 6.65" dia. circles out of a piece of stove glass I picked up. one will just be a spare.
if that works out i'll start on fitting the cast fire view frame to the front of the stove.
i'm thinking I should be done by the end of Sept, we'll see.
from here i'll clean them up then off to the fab shop to have the 33" long x 4" wide and 3" deep "c" channels and end caps formed up and welded on the vertical lines along side and between the ports.
next I have to go to another shop a friend of mine works in and see if he can water jet me 2, 6.65" dia. circles out of a piece of stove glass I picked up. one will just be a spare.
if that works out i'll start on fitting the cast fire view frame to the front of the stove.
i'm thinking I should be done by the end of Sept, we'll see.
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thanks franco b,
the perforated barriers extend 1.5" above the top of the fire bricks which will be angle cut at the top to keep coal from being able to sit up there. I think these features will be a great asset to the operation. I see that I missed a couple holes on the left side and have room for a few more, i'll take care of that tomorrow.
i'm starting to give more consideration to a second fire view port in front. I think i'll get another frame and look it over some more. it would be nice to have a wider view into the combustion chamber. would give a very good presentation of the "blue's"
steve
the perforated barriers extend 1.5" above the top of the fire bricks which will be angle cut at the top to keep coal from being able to sit up there. I think these features will be a great asset to the operation. I see that I missed a couple holes on the left side and have room for a few more, i'll take care of that tomorrow.
i'm starting to give more consideration to a second fire view port in front. I think i'll get another frame and look it over some more. it would be nice to have a wider view into the combustion chamber. would give a very good presentation of the "blue's"
steve
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got that covered too thanksfranco b wrote:Don't forget provision for cleaning out passages.