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Post by KingCoal » Thu. Nov. 26, 2015 10:54 am

there has ever only been one bit dealer around here and for some reason it's a good deal more than anth. per ton.

not something i'd want to do long term but might be a worthy experiment.

thanks,
steve


 
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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Nov. 26, 2015 11:08 am

KingCoal wrote:there has ever only been one bit dealer around here and for some reason it's a good deal more than anth. per ton.

not something i'd want to do long term but might be a worthy experiment.

thanks,
steve
Yea the bit dealer around here was charging the same prices for bit as anthracite which I thought was odd . He went out of business I think because I can't find anything about him or his website . They sell the stuff pretty cheap elsewhere .

It looks like you have a very large bituminous mine 4 hours south of you http://sunrisecoal.com/operations/carlisle-mine-indiana/

 
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Post by KingCoal » Thu. Nov. 26, 2015 1:30 pm

i went 4 counties further south of there this spring to pick up the 617a so it's not out of the question but, looking at their current customer base it's unlikely that they could service even a 20 ton "small" load out.

i have a local guy that member BPattrick used to use that will bring in "stove" anth. on special order basis. I need to talk to him about how much he needs to do at a time.

 
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Post by KingCoal » Thu. Nov. 26, 2015 6:25 pm

back for just a quick update and an additional thank you to Smokeyja for the tending pointers.

second time using those instructions and keeping the fire bed just deep enough to provide the heat level required for 12 hrs.

this is by far the fastest and strongest ramp up, shake down and reload recovery since I started this stove. it's the piece of the puzzle that's been eluding me.

steve

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Thu. Nov. 26, 2015 7:36 pm

Possibly there is a critical depth of a coal bed vs. the coal size and draft?
Could this be the reason for a hopper as a limit to coal depth?
Is your coal bed depth deeper than most BB stoves?

Just thinking out loud as I want this to work too. There is a ton for everyone to learn from your project.
Dave

 
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Post by Smokeyja » Thu. Nov. 26, 2015 11:08 pm

ddahlgren wrote:Possibly there is a critical depth of a coal bed vs. the coal size and draft?
Could this be the reason for a hopper as a limit to coal depth?
Is your coal bed depth deeper than most BB stoves?

Just thinking out loud as I want this to work too. There is a ton for everyone to learn from your project.
Dave
I'm thinking yes on the coal depth being more than most BB or BH stoves . That's a 100lbr he started with I believe .
KingCoal wrote:back for just a quick update and an additional thank you to Smokeyja for the tending pointers.

second time using those instructions and keeping the fire bed just deep enough to provide the heat level required for 12 hrs.

this is by far the fastest and strongest ramp up, shake down and reload recovery since I started this stove. it's the piece of the puzzle that's been eluding me.

steve
Super happy I could help! Jules Verne would be proud ! :)

 
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Post by KingCoal » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 5:46 am

Smokeyja wrote:
ddahlgren wrote:Possibly there is a critical depth of a coal bed vs. the coal size and draft?
Could this be the reason for a hopper as a limit to coal depth?
Is your coal bed depth deeper than most BB stoves?

Just thinking out loud as I want this to work too. There is a ton for everyone to learn from your project.
Dave
I'm thinking yes on the coal depth being more than most BB or BH stoves . That's a 100lbr he started with I believe .
KingCoal wrote:back for just a quick update and an additional thank you to Smokeyja for the tending pointers.

second time using those instructions and keeping the fire bed just deep enough to provide the heat level required for 12 hrs.

this is by far the fastest and strongest ramp up, shake down and reload recovery since I started this stove. it's the piece of the puzzle that's been eluding me.

steve
Super happy I could help! Jules Verne would be proud ! :)
yes this started out as a 120# capacity stove with a 16 W x 19 D fire pot. I cut it down to 16 D ( 100# capacity ) to make room for the base heater transfers and rear facing direct mode exit.

the coal bed depth is fairly important for nut use in this stove. if you want to limit heat out put and use lower draft you HAVE to keep the bed depth low as well. right now i'm running about 30# of "base" and refilling what burns off the top between tendings.

shake down, recovery and refill were super fast and easy again this morning.

super stoked about the prospects for this stove.

steve


 
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Post by Photog200 » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 7:32 am

What? Still not pictures this morning? I was sure when I logged on, I would see tri-ocular glass just glowing with blue ladies. :mad3:

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Post by KingCoal » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 9:36 am

Photog200 wrote:What? Still not pictures this morning? I was sure when I logged on, I would see tri-ocular glass just glowing with blue ladies. :mad3:

Randy
i'll make an honest effort toward that this evening.

with the new operating process the action is a fair distance down in the barrel, but I CAN stand some 12-16" blues up off the bed and have them waving inside the windows for ya. :lol:

thanks,
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Post by KingCoal » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 7:06 pm

i just don't have the camera or even more likely the skill set to use it properly to get good resolution for the blues.

i'll keep trying.

it may have to do with have less than 9" of coal in stove, by the time the flames are above the window sills they are kind of thin. :(

 
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Post by joeq » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 7:26 pm

Don't hurt yourself Steve. Thanx for trying. :)

 
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Post by Photog200 » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 7:54 pm

Thanks for trying, we will give you a reprieve this time. :D

Sincerely though, I have been following your thread from the beginning and I find this extremely interesting. Kudos to you Steve for putting in the time on this project and I hope it pans out for you and make it all worth the time invested.

Randy

 
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Post by SWPaDon » Fri. Nov. 27, 2015 8:54 pm

Photog200 wrote:Thanks for trying, we will give you a reprieve this time. :D

Sincerely though, I have been following your thread from the beginning and I find this extremely interesting. Kudos to you Steve for putting in the time on this project and I hope it pans out for you and make it all worth the time invested.

Randy
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Post by KingCoal » Sat. Nov. 28, 2015 5:37 am

SWPaDon wrote:
Photog200 wrote:Thanks for trying, we will give you a reprieve this time. :D

Sincerely though, I have been following your thread from the beginning and I find this extremely interesting. Kudos to you Steve for putting in the time on this project and I hope it pans out for you and make it all worth the time invested.

Randy
+1
i'll get it eventually. as the need for heat and therefore the fire depth increases it will get easier.

while I had 90ish #'s of coal in I had the blues really rolling but of course I was so enthralled I did think of the camera. :woot:

 
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Post by KingCoal » Sun. Nov. 29, 2015 9:25 am

having come to an understanding of how to tend these grates from above for best refill response kind of hindered my hopes of using a hopper.

fortunately I came by another way of achieving the same thing from underneath by putting a poker thru the "windows" on the grates and prying up into and thru the fire bed. this works fabulously and is very fast. after doing that, shaking the center and clearing the chimney "landings" ( takes as long as it did to type it ) the fire is starting to race and ready for new coal to be added.

so.........today i'm going to use some stuff I have around to do the first experiment with a hopper and see how it goes.

pics this evening.


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