Pipe Locations (Help)

Hoping for some Holiday help, (please), from you fine members. Curious if anyone has a free standing stove with an exit pipe location, similar to my Surdiac. My horizontal pipe measures approx 15-16" from the floor to the "bottom" of the 6" pipe. does anyone have, or know of another stove, (preferably an older model) with an outlet similar to this? I apologize if this has already been asked.

I don't think that the piping is unusual. What's your question about it?

I think he wants a stove that has the same outlet elevation so it will fit on his hearth without the flue pipe making a downhill slope to his chimney. Is that right Joe?

if I get the question, you are considering replacing your current stove and would like to find another one that would allow you to continue to exit straight out the back at the height of the current wall thimble ?

that MIGHT be a tall order, don't know the number of stoves that might fit that bill. you would of course have at least 2 greater or lesser alternatives.

1) open another thimble higher up and cap the present one. many, many stoves now become candidates.

2) consider the fact that all the by pass and suspended Base Heater and Base Burner style stoves prove very handily that most chimney draft is good enough to pull exhaust down before it goes up. something to seriously think about.

steve

KingCoal wrote:2) consider the fact that all the by pass and suspended Base Heater and Base Burner style stoves prove very handily that most chimney draft is good enough to pull exhaust down before it goes up. something to seriously think about.

I like your way of thinking, Steve..

Lightning wrote:I think he wants a stove that has the same outlet elevation so it will fit on his hearth without the flue pipe making a downhill slope to his chimney. Is that right Joe?

That's right Lee. (On the phone. Can't write)

KingCoal wrote:if I get the question, you are considering replacing your current stove and would like to find another one that would allow you to continue to exit straight out the back at the height of the current wall thimble ?

that MIGHT be a tall order, don't know the number of stoves that might fit that bill. you would of course have at least 2 greater or lesser alternatives.

1) open another thimble higher up and cap the present one. many, many stoves now become candidates.

2) consider the fact that all the by pass and suspended Base Heater and Base Burner style stoves prove very handily that most chimney draft is good enough to pull exhaust down before it goes up. something to seriously think about.

steve

A yup....my vc 2310 has the gas travel up, then down, then sideways then up and out. Doesn't affect the draft one bit. It don't care as long as it has a way out.

Good to know. I remember seeing the BBs with piping routed like this, and was wondering the same thing. I really can't see using a stove with the pipe exiting the top, turning it 180* downward to connect to my wall thimble, then heading outside. It would probably work, but don't know how efficient it would be. A last resort as mentioned by Steve is to cap it off, and reinstall one higher, but I really am looking for other options. Thanx for the replies.

One size fits all...

How about using a flexible black pipe from the new stove exit to the thimble. It's still a downward slope for the stove exhaust but not a steep one. When the chimney guy cut the hole for my thimble he screwed up and put it 4 inches higher than the stove exit hole. Oppps. To make it work he used a flexible black pipe from the stove to the thimble. It works well. Of course it's an upward slope. I don't know if a downward slope would worked but it's a thought. Lisa

joeq wrote:Good to know. I remember seeing the BBs with piping routed like this, and was wondering the same thing. I really can't see using a stove with the pipe exiting the top, turning it 180* downward to connect to my wall thimble, then heading outside. It would probably work, but don't know how efficient it would be. A last resort as mentioned by Steve is to cap it off, and reinstall one higher, but I really am looking for other options. Thanx for the replies.

Yeppers......Some of the most efficient stoves ever made have exactly this configuration. You even named them. Baseburners. In baseburner mode gas goes up, then out, then down, then back up again, then out of the stove. Some of the most beautiful and most efficient stoves made.

You guys are giving me some very convincing hope. Hey McG, is that the 111 in your photo? I can see where the exhaust heads downward from the upper cylindrical part of the stove, but is the bottom section also connected to the exhaust pipe, heading up-ward? If so, it must aid in the scavenging of the upper section? By the way, you wouldn't happen to know how close to the floor the outlet to the stove in your pic is, would you?

Hey Joeq,
Don't worry about that downwards sloped stove pipe, it worked fine for several winters and it will to the end of the stove life.
The surdiac has also a nice heat exchancer where the gas is headed downwards, wich in return gives you a nice efficiency number .

Your alternatives are: make a new thimble or dig a hole in the floor. eeehm I mean lower your heart pad so the stove exit is level with your thimble.

My advice enjoy your stove, get a beer.

Peter.

thanx JP. I had thought about lowering the floor if needed, cause there is the possibility of gaining a few inches. but with all the work into the hearth, I'ld rather plug the wall thimble, and install one higher towards the ceiling. But by doing that, there's a couple clearance issues I'll need to deal with.


Or I could take the chance, and run a pipe slightly downhill as suggested above. If it doesn't work, then I'll move the wall thimble higher. Won't happen this year, cause my little stove is up and running. I still haven't found that "perfect" candidate yet. Still hunting.

joeq wrote:You guys are giving me some very convincing hope. Hey McG, is that the 111 in your photo? I can see where the exhaust heads downward from the upper cylindrical part of the stove, but is the bottom section also connected to the exhaust pipe, heading up-ward? If so, it must aid in the scavenging of the upper section? By the way, you wouldn't happen to know how close to the floor the outlet to the stove in your pic is, would you?

Looks like a 111, but it is just a "file photo" and not mine.

What I was trying to show is that with such an arrangement one could move the back collar down as low as he dare.
All it takes is a stove with an indirect back pipe. It may require replacing the back pipe with a new piece, as you would not want a patched hole from moving the collar lower...but it is not "rocket science" as it is just an ordinary stove pipe oval ed.

One size does fits all...don't make it any harder than it is.

K.I.S.S.