Coal Size and Combustion Air Settings.. What Do They Prove?

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Nov. 08, 2015 12:07 pm

franco b wrote:To prove if stove coal burns with secondary air alone you would have to close down the primary with a mature fire.
Good call Richard. This morning I sealed the primary air completely. It's about 10 hours since I did a shake and load last night (party at my house, got to bed late lol). I loaded it back up with stove size last night. There should be a decent layer of ash on the grates by now to protect them, since it won't have any air coming in there. I imagine the bottom layer will extinguish as a result.

Secondary air is open, I'll leave it this way for several hours and see what happens.

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Nov. 08, 2015 7:00 pm

The stove size coal has been running on secondary air for 7 hours. Over the load door fell from 230 and plateaued at around 200 degrees a few hours ago.

This is about the lowest I could get stove size to burn, the blowers kicked on once in a while. Over the last prior week with the nut size I was able to take the stove down to 172 and the blower didn't kick on at all.

I think what is happening with the stove size is that secondary air is sinking into the fuel bed along the sides where it's cooler and then moves laterally into the center where it's hotter. Once there it has an opportunity to keep the fire burning.

The "V" shaped fuel bed could be helping promote this convection pattern..

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Nov. 22, 2015 4:27 pm

Lightning wrote:I think what is happening with the stove size is that secondary air is sinking into the fuel bed along the sides where it's cooler and then moves laterally into the center where it's hotter. Once there it has an opportunity to keep the fire burning.
Lets ponder some more about this and what it could implicate. With a mature fire, I've determined in the past that when I cut secondary air, I see a rise in over the load door temp and a decrease in flue pipe temp. Seems logical that this keeps more heat in the stove and less heat lost up the chimney. The result of less nitrogen hauling heat with it up the chimney.

So if it's true that secondary air alone can maintain a coal fire (with stove size coal) which the test above implies, maybe its also true that oxygen left over from its first pass thru the fuel bed (from the primary) can get yet another opportunity to react with the coal because of the mechanism quoted above. The bigger spaces that the stove size provide for convection currents to infiltrate the fuel bed, from above, I believe is the key to this whole debacle.

Maybe this is proof that stove size is more efficient at using the available oxygen that is brought into the stove and possibly the answer to whole riddle of the topic question. I believe Mr. Sherrick uses stove size in his base burners. Maybe this is why.

These are just a few things that crossed my mind in the last few minutes.. :lol:


 
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Post by scalabro » Sun. Nov. 22, 2015 5:00 pm

On my Crawford 40 here is what happens with stove size.....

On re load the secondaries are wide open to prevent accumulation of excessive gas and the possibility of a puff back. After a few minutes the blues ignite and I leave the secondaries open until the barrel temp stops rising for a given primary setting. Then the secondaries get closed. Temps stay that way until the next reload.

If after several hours I re open the secondaries, the barrel and stack temps fall.

 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Nov. 22, 2015 5:30 pm

scalabro wrote: If after several hours I re open the secondaries, the barrel and stack temps fall.
Is this with a manual pipe damper? Open or closed?

 
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Post by scalabro » Sun. Nov. 22, 2015 5:31 pm

Open until the blues ignite then closed to set .02-.03 draft.


 
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Post by Lightning » Sun. Nov. 22, 2015 5:40 pm

scalabro wrote:Open until the blues ignite then closed to set .02-.03 draft.
With closed MPD, I would expect both temps to fall when opening secondaries with a mature fire. Your result makes sense. :)

Edit - My results are with using a baro.
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Post by scalabro » Sun. Nov. 22, 2015 6:01 pm

Glad I did not add any confusion toothy

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