The Problem With Republicans

Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: ktm rider On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:36 pm

Devil5052 wrote:

I really wish someone would specify what this great "Change" is gonna be. Anyone can simply say we need change. How 'bout specifying what you are going to change and exactly how you plan on doing it.
Osama,err,,, OBAMA is a very good cheerleader and has great pep rallies but there is absolutely zero substance and very vague explanations on what this all elusive change is gonna be under his reign.

I watched one of his speeches/pep rallies and it was so vague on hard answers that all I could think of was what the principal in the movie Billy Madison said to Billy about one of his answers....


How about these small changes to start with;

1. Ending an occupation of Iraq that is wasting US lives each month, making us less safe & costing billions of dollars a month we could spend right here in the US.
2. Having the Justice Dept actualy go after criminals rather than political enemies.
2. Having a President who adheres to the Constitution & doesnt laugh at it with "signing statement."
4. Regaining some respect in the world so that our citizens are embassys are not bombed & our cigtizens safer abroad.
5. Reinstituting some competition in the oil industry so that most Americans (not just us smart coal burners) can heat their homes & drive their cars
6. Getting back to paying for what our government spends instead of putting it on the backs of our grandchildren.
7. Making "Accountability" mean something again
8. Restoring a system of "Checks & Balances" on our King....oops, President.

Just a few that leap to mind as I have errands to run.


My personal favorite is your #1.---Why, so we can let Al-Queda regroup and start hammering us on our soil with terrorist attacks again. If he does this he will have no choice but to send them right back over there in 2-3 years to finish what we started.
But hey, saying what people want to hear is what is important right now. we will deal with the consequenses of those words on a later date.

Yes, we have all heard this list. But HOW ?? what is the plan? the nuts and bolts? Anyone can say what people want to hear. but very few can tell you a plan on how to get these things done. ( this includes Obama)

I think I am going to run for president on the platform of free money for everyone. If elected i am going to erase everyones debt, and grant everyone 3 genie lamp wishes !!!
I have no idea HOW I am going to make all this happen but hey, If it gets me elected, I'll worry about that later. :P
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:24 pm

ktm rider wrote:My personal favorite is your #1.---Why, so we can let Al-Queda regroup and start hammering us on our soil with terrorist attacks again. If he does this he will have no choice but to send them right back over there in 2-3 years to finish what we started.
But hey, saying what people want to hear is what is important right now. we will deal with the consequenses of those words on a later date.

Yes, we have all heard this list. But HOW ?? what is the plan? the nuts and bolts? Anyone can say what people want to hear. but very few can tell you a plan on how to get these things done. ( this includes Obama)

I think I am going to run for president on the platform of free money for everyone. If elected i am going to erase everyones debt, and grant everyone 3 genie lamp wishes !!!
I have no idea HOW I am going to make all this happen but hey, If it gets me elected, I'll worry about that later. :P


My opinion is this: Al-Queda in Iraq is a Bush fantasy to deflect the truth, which is that Iraq is in the middle of a civil war in which we have become the targets. Every bomb is Al-Queda , every enemy shooter is Al-Queda , every Iraqi we kill is Al-Queda every phonecall they spy on is Al-Queda .....It's all a Bush lie! The truth is that Iraqi police are killing us & we did what we said we were going to do, so now let's get out. (Oh, there may be an insignificant number of real Al-Queda in Iraq, but only because we are there)
Al-Queda is regrouping right now & even our own govrenment admits they are stronger now than at any time since 9/11/2001. Firght them in Afganistan & the tribal areas of Pakistan where they are real.
As far as nuts & bolts, I dont understand what you want to know?? (The specific Presidential order numbers? The tail numbers of the aircraft our troops will fly home on?)
As far as where is the money coming from...stopping this occupation alone will save us Billions a month & make us safer to boot.
Free up troops to fight our real enemy in Afganistan.

I'm rambling here....Time to stop
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:54 pm

spc wrote:Trying to talk some sense into you Devil is fruitless. :bang:


Think of it like exercising the mind!! :D (you can walk on a treadmill for hours & get nowwhere....but it's still good for you!)
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: ktm rider On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:02 pm

Devil5052 wrote:My opinion is this: Al-Queda in Iraq is a Bush fantasy to deflect the truth, which is that Iraq is in the middle of a civil war in which we have become the targets. Every bomb is Al-Queda , every enemy shooter is Al-Queda , every Iraqi we kill is Al-Queda every phonecall they spy on is Al-Queda .....It's all a Bush lie! The truth is that Iraqi police are killing us & we did what we said we were going to do, so now let's get out. (Oh, there may be an insignificant number of real Al-Queda in Iraq, but only because we are there)
Al-Queda is regrouping right now & even our own govrenment admits they are stronger now than at any time since 9/11/2001. Firght them in Afganistan & the tribal areas of Pakistan where they are real.
As far as nuts & bolts, I dont understand what you want to know?? (The specific Presidential order numbers? The tail numbers of the aircraft our troops will fly home on?)
As far as where is the money coming from...stopping this occupation alone will save us Billions a month & make us safer to boot.
Free up troops to fight our real enemy in Afganistan.

I'm rambling here....Time to stop


First of all, I think our troops would beg to differ that Al- Queda is NOT in Iraq.
I also don't think Al- Queda is more powerful now than before 9/11 with most of their top leaders either locked up or dead. I have never heard the Gov't claim this.

As far as the Nuts and bolts. Obama wants to bring our troops home . How? is he just going to load them on a plane and forget about the people of iraq? will he leave some troops there? none at all. what about the financial security or Iraq. What about the oil? who will have control of that? Will we have an Embassy there still? What about the Iraqi Constitution our troops died for? will it still be valid. How does he plan on keeping democracy in Iraq with no troops there to stabilze the region if the Iraq security force isn't trained well enough to control the country?? This is what I am talking about. He has no plan for any of this and if he talks the big game of pulling out, these are the questions he better have SOLID answers for.

National heatlh care? How? is he going to tax everyone even more, just the middle class. How is he going to get this bill passed? What about the people that already have health care? Are we going to have to pay even more for this new plan. If so, how much???

These are the nuts and bolts of these grand plans that he has. He has no answers for these questions just grand illusions that sound good to the libs He may as well steal my 3 genie wishes for every American idea also because he will have a better shot at keeping that promise than making natinal health care work. :roll:
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:36 pm

First of all, I think our troops would beg to differ that Al- Queda is NOT in Iraq.
I also don't think Al- Queda is more powerful now than before 9/11 with most of their top leaders either locked up or dead. I have never heard the Gov't claim this.

Tom Baldwin in Washington
US intelligence chiefs held a White House summit yesterday to discuss a classified report that concluded that al-Qaeda is now stronger than at any time since September 11, 2001.

Details of the five-page document, entitled “Al-Qaeda better positioned to strike the West”, were leaked amid growing signs that America is nervous about the prospect of another terrorist attack. There was particular concern that Europeans could be used to launch such operations.

Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Secretary, has spent days trying to play down comments that his “gut feeling” was that the US faced a heightened risk of attack this summer.




Jane's: 'Al-Qaida stronger now than in 2001'
The Times of India ^ | June 2. 2004 | Staff writer


Posted on 06/03/2004 1:47:27 PM PDT by Stoat


The London-based Jane's Intelligence Digest has warned that the al-Qaida terrorist network and its international affiliates are probably stronger today than they were in 2001. The authoritative publication says the question, unthinkable in the aftermath of 9/11, is relevant today, namely whether al-Qaida is winning the war. It concedes that for many people in the West, the question is provocative and even outrageous, since they argue that the US and its allies hold the moral high ground and possess the resources and determination to defeat this terror network, reports the Daily Times.


U.S. Warns Of Stronger Al-Qaeda
Administration Report Cites Havens in Pakistan

By Spencer S. Hsu and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 12, 2007; Page A01

Six years after the Bush administration declared war on al-Qaeda, the terrorist network is gaining strength and has established a safe haven in remote tribal areas of western Pakistan for training and planning attacks, according to a new Bush administration intelligence report to be discussed today at a White House meeting.

The report, a five-page threat assessment compiled by the National Counterterrorism Center, is titled "Al-Qaida Better Positioned to Strike the West," intelligence officials said. It concludes that the group has significantly rebuilt itself despite concerted U.S. attempts to smash the network.





Full text here:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071102443.html

My point in posting these is just this: Try to keep an open mind to my belief that you are the victim of a very well thought out & orchestrated propoganda campaign (centered in the Bush White House) to deflect national opinion away from discovering the breathtaking ineptness of this administration's defense against our real enemy.........Radical Islam.
Our military is demoralized & getting weaker daily while our enemy grows stronger in it's sanctuarys in Pakistan & Afganistan while Bush , in an effort to save face & his legacy, tries to keep us focused on a civil war in Iraq that he created.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:52 pm

I'll answer these questions as what I would do since I obviously do not speak for Obama or anyone esle. (Emphasis added just to make my text visible)


As far as the Nuts and bolts. Obama wants to bring our troops home . How? is he just going to load them on a plane and forget about the people of iraq? I would. The Iraqi people dont want us there...they don't like being occupied & think we are just trying to steal their oil. (hmmm, with Exxon-Mobils profits last qtr...maybe they have a point)O

will he leave some troops there? none at all. I would pull all our troops out ,only considering their safe removal & any Iraqis who have helped us there & want to come with us.

of o what about the financial security or Iraq. What about the oil? who will have control of that? That's their affair & their oil.


Will we have an Embassy there still? Yes
What about the Iraqi Constitution our troops died for? will it still be valid. Our troops died for the Iraqi constitution?? I sure hope not!
How does he plan on keeping democracy in Iraq with no troops there to stabilze the region if the Iraq security force isn't trained well enough to control the country?? Much as we would like to, you cant force democracy on people at gunpoint.

This is what I am talking about. He has no plan for any of this How could you possibly know that to be true??
and if he talks the big game of pulling out, these are the questions he better have SOLID answers for.

National heatlh care? How? He was pretty specific in the debate he had with Clinton the other night.

is he going to tax everyone even more, just the middle class. How is he going to get this bill passed? What about the people that already have health care? Are we going to have to pay even more for this new plan. If so, how much???

These are the nuts and bolts of these grand plans that he has. He has no answers for these questions just grand illusions that sound good to the libs He may as well steal my 3 genie wishes for every American idea also because he will have a better shot at keeping that promise than making natinal health care work. :roll:[/quote]
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: e.alleg On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:14 pm

From George Bush's "Compassionate Conservative" who vetos health care for US children to fund his occupation of Iraq t
This is the biggest liberal load of crap; I hear it every day. The item in question would allow families making $80,000 a year to get free health insurance. Now maybe in Boston or NYC or San Francisco the yuppies need $80k just to survive, I mean Starbucks alone will eat up 20k a year just on the commute. Bush said get real, nobody with a $80k salary and a few hundred grand in the 401k needs free health insurance. That's my interpretation on that matter.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:22 pm

As far as Obama . How can anyone support someone who refuses to wear a pin with the American flag or cover his heart during the American anthem .Didn't we already pull out of Iraq once before to early .And we are back a few yrs later . His half or step brother in Kenya I was told is an extremist muslam . Obama is not someone I would even consider to run this country . I have no problem with his race or ethnicity just his beliefs. Seems like he is using race to his advantage ,that I do have a problem with . He also belongs to a church run by Faracon (however he spells it). Besides the fact that he is running against Billary I cant see how he got this far .
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:10 pm

Flyer5 wrote:As far as Obama He also belongs to a church run by Faracon (however he spells it).


What's the deal with that?
He ain't gonna go visit the "mother wheel" that's up in the sky is he?
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: ktm rider On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:12 pm

Devil5052 wrote:I'll answer these questions as what I would do since I obviously do not speak for Obama or anyone esle. (Emphasis added just to make my text visible)


As far as the Nuts and bolts. Obama wants to bring our troops home . How? is he just going to load them on a plane and forget about the people of iraq? I would. The Iraqi people dont want us there...they don't like being occupied & think we are just trying to steal their oil.
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now that is total bull crap and liberal news media propaganda. I know for a fact this is not true because I have had 3 good friends come back from serving in Iraq and this really pissed them off when they heard this. They claim just the opposite is true and i tend to believe them since they were actually there.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:32 am

ktm rider wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:I'll answer these questions as what I would do since I obviously do not speak for Obama or anyone esle. (Emphasis added just to make my text visible)


As far as the Nuts and bolts. Obama wants to bring our troops home . How? is he just going to load them on a plane and forget about the people of iraq? I would. The Iraqi people dont want us there...they don't like being occupied & think we are just trying to steal their oil.
. :roll:

now that is total bull crap and liberal news media propaganda. I know for a fact this is not true because I have had 3 good friends come back from serving in Iraq and this really pissed them off when they heard this. They claim just the opposite is true and i tend to believe them since they were actually there.[/quote]

And I can present 6 Iraqi veterans who will verify everything I have said. Come on now, can you honestly say that what we are now doing in Iraq is worth the expenditures in life & treasure & that it is making us safer here in the US? (put the same $$$ into Cancer research (a disease that has killed over 1/2 my family & represents much more of a threat to us than Al Quida ever will) as we are spending in Iraq each year & I'll bet we'd have a vaccine in two years!)
Here's a good question for you:
If you could buy a pill for $20.00 that would guarantee you would not be killed by cancer or another with the same deal against Al Quida , which woiuld you buy?
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: spc On: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:58 am

Devil5052 wrote:(you can walk on a treadmill for hours & get nowwhere....but it's still good for you!)
See thats your problem, you get on a treadmill expecting to get somewhere :cry2:
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:54 am

Devil wrote: If you could buy a pill for $20.00 that would guarantee you would not be killed by cancer or another with the same deal against Al Quida , which woiuld you buy?

I'd buy the pill to not be killed by a radical islam terrorist who invades our country because our liberal no backbone socialist democrats want to pull out of a war a second time. Everyone will die from something, old age is a massive cancer, your body just wears out, but to have some radical come into our country and slaughter more of us??? I'll gladly pay for that tax to support the war... but don't tax me for the other liberal socialist-democrat programs, this is what is killing America.

If you believe that radiacal islam is our enemy, how do you propose to fight it, much less defeat it?? I believe the current program to rebuild what Saddam tore down, the infrastructure of Iraq, the schools, the hospitals, etc, and do it while Iraq is 'occupied' I'd love to have our country 'occupied' by so benevolent an 'occupation force'. Lets see, maybe we could get our healthcare fixed, our roads fixed, rebuild our economy, sounds like a social democrat's promisses to get elected.. doesn't it?? That's what is happening in Iraq, just the liberal media won't show us that, it doesn't fit in their agenda, or yours.

HOW do you propose to make our country safe?? Homeland security is a joke,, I deal with it daily. the liberals have handcuffed any serious form of security.,.. they make it ok to search me, the airline pilot who is going to fly the plane, to look for a pair of scissors, or a screwdriver, or a pair of pliers.. but they let a person on board with two cross pens in their pocket, and lace-up shoes... Devil, do you remember how to make a garrott ??? this whole security thing is a farce ,, we NEED to start the protection outside our borders. because we in our current state are incapable of defending our own homeland.

If we could errect a wall around the country and become total isolationists, fine, suffer the consequenses, the collapse of the world economy, as well as ours, I'll deal with it, but tell us a plan. How are you going to protect the USA from the radical Islam terrorists??? You want to pull out, but how do you propose to keep the war off of our land??? and if if came to our land, will it be fought in some wasteland like Utah and Nevada?? NO, it will be fought in NYC and LA, Washington DC and Chicago...!
Is this what you want, wholesale slaughter of Americans on American soil?? It ALREADY HAPPENED, it's not a theory, or speculation... it happened, I've seen the hole in the ground on Manhattan..

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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:06 am

Very well said, Greg.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:07 am

Morning Greg. First, let me start by saying that I enjoy your very knowledgeable posts on coal heating & I hope to not offend you by strongly disagreeing with your political views, which I consider totaly wrong.

LsFarm wrote:I'd buy the pill to not be killed by a radical islam terrorist who invades our country because our liberal no backbone socialist democrats want to pull out of a war a second time.


I simply dont believe you here. I dont think any rational US citzen would believe that their chances of dying of Cancer are the same as those of dying at the hands of a terrorist are even close. Perhaps an insurance actuarial table would be of benefit here. I have lost my Father & Sister to cancer & know ,many, many others as well. I dont know anyone, personaly, who has been killed by terrorists in the US. As far as this statement "radical islam terrorist who invades our country because our liberal no backbone socialist democrats"..... I dont think anyone really should buy it. What was the conservative hero Ronald Reagan's response to the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beiruit??..He pulled them all out, right? No response!

I'll gladly pay for that tax to support the war...


The war is over in Iraq & we won. Our enemy (Radical Islam) was not in Iraq before we invaded. Our real enemys are getting stronger daily in Afganistan & Pakistan

If you believe that radiacal islam is our enemy, how do you propose to fight it, much less defeat it??


Take some of the money we are wasting fighting a civil war in Iraq & put it into: Hiring INS border guards, screening containers entering our ports every day, the war in Afganistan, attacking the tribal areas of Pakistan, & many other such plans. I dont think we can realistcaly ever totaly defeat radical islam throu military or po,lice tactics. It's nice to think we can & makes for great sounding, patriotic sound bites! The truth is there is no simple answer to this problem that has been going on for thousands of years & involves at least as much education & social/monetary rebvuiklding as militarty/police action.

I believe the current program to rebuild what Saddam tore down, the infrastructure of Iraq, the schools, the hospitals, etc, and do it while Iraq is 'occupied'


I'd rather spend that money right here...in my country.

I'd love to have our country 'occupied' by so benevolent an 'occupation force'.


No you wouldn't.

Lets see, maybe we could get our healthcare fixed, our roads fixed, rebuild our economy, sounds like a social democrat's promisses to get elected.. doesn't it?? That's what is happening in Iraq, just the liberal media won't show us that, it doesn't fit in their agenda, or yours.


I dont have an agenda other than trying to use my head rather than just my mouth.

HOW do you propose to make our country safe?? Homeland security is a joke,, I deal with it daily. the liberals have handcuffed any serious form of security.,..


We have had a Reublican President & Congress for the last 7 years...How do you blame liberals for handcuffing us & what (specificaly) w0ould ypou like us to do if the handcuffs are takenj off?

we NEED to start the protection outside our borders. because we in our current state are incapable of defending our own homeland.



OK...Sounds great!! Do we just throw a dart at the globe & wherever it lands, we invade? (be better than Bush's plans) How about Sweden? Maybe we should invade Canada? The real answer is that it is impossible to make a democracy totaly secure from terrorism without turning that democracy into a dictatorship. Everything is a trade off & many of us believe that giving a guy like GW Bush dictatorial powers is more of a danger to our way of life than any terrorist.

If we could errect a wall around the country and become total isolationists, fine, suffer the consequenses, the collapse of the world economy, as well as ours, I'll deal with it, but tell us a plan. How are you going to protect the USA from the radical Islam terrorists???


I mentioned a few ideas above You want to pull out, but how do you propose to keep the war off of our land??? Impossible to totaly prevent but we can do some things that I have mentioned above...If you want a guarantee of safety, sorry...other than words, you cant achieve it.

and if if came to our land, will it be fought in some wasteland like Utah and Nevada?? NO, it will be fought in NYC and LA, Washington DC and Chicago...!
Is this what you want, wholesale slaughter of Americans on American soil??


None of us want that but we differ in how to avoid it
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