The Problem With Republicans

Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:20 pm

spc wrote:Reply
stockingfull wrote:Nobody's denying you the right to your opinions or beliefs. It's when you assert them as facts that some of us would like to be heard. Speaking for myself I don't recall asserting facts unless I could back them up reliably. I've seen a lack of reliably facts from the left though.

My patriotism is no less than anybody else's here. Its not very patriotic to denigrate a dead Presidents affliction with a disease. But it's not of the blind, unquestioning sort which assumes that we always are best and never in need of improvement. Run for office. Where we can do better, why on earth shouldn't we at least try? This is a representative government, we send our elected officials to Wash. & give them the time to study policy & write law. With foreign policy, (I don't mean Nancy Pelosi with a head scarf in Syria) & war they have much more access to info than you or I do. I'm going to trust their judgment not the nyt, the nightly news or yours. If I don't like their decisions or what they say campaigning they won't get my vote.
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Factual reference.

Hmmm. When do you think Ronnie Ray-guns contracted Alzheimer's? I mean, when is it not "unpatriotic" in your view to say that he contracted the cognitive disorder that he later admitted suffering from?

Why is it OK for you to be disrespectful of Senator Kennedy and the Speaker of the House but "unpatriotic" for me to suggest that we now know the reason Reagan was the "dottering old fool" which I called him at the time.

Our freedom of speech is probably the most precious of all of the rights we have in this great country. You have an absolute right to slander Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, "Barack Hussein Obama" and any other "liberal" bogeymen you choose. And I have the right to believe, and more importantly to declare, that Reagan sold snake oil and nearly destroyed the economy, and that Dubya is an arrogant dope who not only was asleep at the switch leading up to 9/11 but has singlehandedly ruined our standing in the world and started a blood-war with Islam with his ludicrous "cowboy foreign policy" since then.

It's over. The right wing no longer will be permitted to hijack the concept of "patriotism" in this country. It just won't fly anymore. Those of us who believe that actually following the principles on which this country was founded is the truest form of patriotism and will do more to enhance our standing in the world than all the bombs, gulags, wiretaps and other brute force that have been tried recently, now vastly outnumber you. Get used to it.

And be careful about your use of the "patriotism" label. Because you'll be in the minority someday -- soon :P -- and you won't want to be called "unpatriotic" when your voice has become the dissent.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:49 pm

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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: spc On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:09 pm

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stockingfull wrote:Hmmm. When do you think Ronnie Ray-guns contracted Alzheimer's? I mean, when is it not "unpatriotic" in your view to say that he contracted the cognitive disorder that he later admitted suffering from? He's dead.

Why is it OK for you to be disrespectful of Senator Kennedy where did I disrespect Senator Kennedy? and the Speaker of the House showing a news photo is disrespectful "unpatriotic" for me to suggest that we now know the reason Reagan was the " dottering old fool" which I called him at the time. Now thats disrespectful on so many levels, didn't your parents teach you anything?

Our freedom of speech is probably the most precious of all of the rights we have in this great country. I love when liberals voice their opinion, it shows alot. You have an absolute right to slander Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, "Barack Hussein Obama" and any other "liberal" bogeymen you choose. How does slandering politicians help the debate? And I have the right to believe, and more importantly to declare, that Reagan sold snake oil and nearly destroyed the economy, I think Carter did that, read your history you may not be old enough to remember. and that Dubya is an arrogant dope who not only was asleep at the switch leading up to 9/11 but has singlehandedly ruined our standing in the world and started a blood-war with Islam with his ludicrous "cowboy foreign policy" since then. Now thats a some patriotic stuff.

It's over. The right wing no longer will be permitted to hijack the concept of "patriotism" in this country. It just won't fly anymore. Those of us who believe that actually following the principles on which this country was founded is the truest form of patriotism and will do more to enhance our standing in the world than all the bombs, gulags, wiretaps and other brute force that have been tried recently, now vastly outnumber you. I'm lost there, you may want to reword that last paragraph. Get used to it.

And be careful about your use of the "patriotism" label. Because you'll be in the minority someday -- soon :P -- and you won't want to be called "unpatriotic" when your voice has become the dissent.
One think I will not do is name calling, its so childish. Now go to your room :mad2:
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: ktm rider On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:21 pm

stockingfull wrote:Reagan sold snake oil and nearly destroyed the economy,


Reagan was one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen. His lists of accomplishments are too long to list here. But, I will tell what kind of "Patriotism" this great man had. He NEVER entered the Oval Office at any time without wearing a suit. Even at 3 am he would get dressed just to enter that room for 10 minutes. He said that office was not his office but the American peoples office and it deserved that respect.

To good ol' Slick Willie that office was just a place to hide from Hillary so he could get a "You know what" from Monica!

Bill Clinton is not, was not and will never be anywhere close to league of President Ronald Reagan.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:38 pm

"Patriotism" isn't wearing a suit, it's walking the walk of our nation's principles. It's not waterboarding, it's not warrantless wiretaps, it's not the gulags at Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, it's not the suspension of habeas corpus.

I'll take the GI in camo over the full-dress version every day of the week. And I don't care what any of these guys are doing in their personal lives, so long as it doesn't transfer secrets to our enemies. God knows we've all learned, at great expense, that neither party has the high ground on that stuff.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:54 pm

KTM, Don't waste your key stokes.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: Ed.A On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:24 pm

coalkirk wrote:KTM, Don't waste your key stokes.


So true...but I'll waste a few,
I'm always shocked at how soon a Lib will cry about "civil liberities" under GW are attacked. Why is that I watched the Libs take away homes in New London CT ( 30 mins south of me) for a condo complex?
Why did I have to watch the DUKE boys be convicted by the schools Liberal Academia and demand they be purged from the school without due process? Have you seen an apology? NO you have NOT! nor will you ever...Libs never do.
There has never, ever been one person to come forward and say (or accuse) the government of SPYING on them and how it is ruining their lives. Why? because it hasn't happened, but who cares, Libs don't need facts, only innuendo.

I just watched a video of Al-ragheads burning people alive in a pit, yet GITMO prisoners get "orange glazed chicken" and we are the bad guys?
Our children aren't allowed to say a "christian prayer"in school, yet they want to set aside Muslim prayer times throughout the school day. Where are the Libs on this? Fondling the ACLU, thats where.

What I find most interesting is according to Shiria Law, all the Hollywood halfwits, all the Liberal ( who embrace Islam and multi-cultralism) elites and Liberal academia professors will be the first to BEHEAEDED. Ironic? why yes......yes it is.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:41 pm

What I find most interesting is according to Shiria Law, all the Hollywood halfwits, all the Liberal ( who embrace Islam and multi-cultralism) elites and Liberal academia professors will be the first to BEHEAEDED. Ironic? why yes......yes it is.[/quote]

Maybe they'll start in the Hudson Valley? :)
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:00 pm

The essence of honor and patriotism is to do the right thing even when there's an easier course.

First, hate to spoil your fantasy, Ed, but it was your conservative-dominated Supreme Court who took away your neighbor's private property for a commercial development in New London. Not some "liberal" Court.

The Duke case was the result of a rogue DA, Mike Nifong, who was running for reelection and clearly abused the powers of his office. He's now been disbarred, and deservedly so. What happened in the media was a disgrace, plain and simple. But media disgraces aren't limited to fans of just one party.

You've gotta be kidding about the spying cases. The gubment has refused to furnish the information with which to pursue the prosecution of the illegal wiretap cases, and even demands retroactive immunity for the telecom companies who violated their customers' privacy rights by providing private customer information without a warrant. Duh, how ya gonna prove anything when they've got the evidence?

Just because others do horrible things doesn't give us license to do likewise. That we don't has always been the basis for our national credibility in the world. Believe me, my wife is German and I've heard her neighbors over there tell about how afraid they were of our soldiers but how honorably they comported themselves. Tragically, we've gone to great lengths in the last 5 yrs to destroy that honor. And, c'mon, it's no serious consolation that Gitmo prisoners with no legal rights aren't also being starved there.

School prayer? Lest we forget, our forefathers came here to get away from imposed state religions. That's the reason that the separation of church and state is one of explicit Constitutional proportion. Citizens have been permitted to practice their religions, however, so long as it's not imposed on others. Jewish students are allowed to take off for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur; why shouldn't Muslim students be allowed to pray when their religion requires? But where you do run into problems is with the so-called "faith-based initiatives": it's all well and good that government help should be offered to the church down the street which happens to offer after-school day-care -- until that church is a mosque.

In the end, we're in a war of ideas, and persuasion, with radical Islam in the world. We're not helping ourselves by acting like the heavy-handed oppressors they portray us to be. We're only helping them.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:07 pm

And thus concludes tonights sermon of the diciples of Michael Moore. Would someone please shut the light off when the last crazy has left the building.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:15 pm

coalkirk wrote:And thus concludes tonights sermon of the diciples of Michael Moore. Would someone please shut the light off when the last crazy has left the building.


Benjamin Franklin once said:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Thankfully, people are finally thinking about the way we've been doing things and now recognize that it'll take doing them differently to obtain the different results almost everybody wants this year.

So we'll see who's "crazy."
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:24 pm

You are truly delusional. I think you may have one too many cups of the Obama kool aid. I know NY is a very liberal state so maybe your reality looks like you describe. But Moore is an idiot and those who watch his "docudramas" and believe all that crap are pitiful.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: spc On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:28 pm

stockingfull wrote:First, hate to spoil your fantasy, Ed, but it was your conservative-dominated Supreme Court who took away your neighbor's private property for a commercial development in New London. Not some "liberal" Court.
Dissenting were O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas.
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:33 pm

spc wrote:
stockingfull wrote:First, hate to spoil your fantasy, Ed, but it was your conservative-dominated Supreme Court who took away your neighbor's private property for a commercial development in New London. Not some "liberal" Court.
Dissenting were O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas.


Must've been that commie, Anthony Kennedy, who did you in. :roll:
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Re: The Problem With Republicans

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:35 pm

coalkirk wrote:You are truly delusional. I think you may have one too many cups of the Obama kool aid. I know NY is a very liberal state so maybe your reality looks like you describe. But Moore is an idiot and those who watch his "docudramas" and believe all that crap are pitiful.


Nobody believes all of it. But what exactly are you afraid of? A different way of thinking about our country's problems?
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