3000Sqft Colonial Stove Recomendations?
- ASea
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My Wife and I have been looking at houses on and off for a while. I spotted a vintage 1760s colonial with 2 very large BIG fireplaces with beehive ovens etc. I was thinking I would install a coal stove. Would a Glenwood 6 be enough stove for a house this size? I am also looking at the Oak or Modern Oak stoves with the back pipe. Another question is there a difference between Oak and Modern Oak other than style? As I said I haven't been to look at the house yet so I can't provide much more info.
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It depends on a lot of things.
1. Heat load of the house. Any updating?
2. Geographic location. e.g. Southern Maryland is a lot different heating situation than Northern Maine.
3. Layout of the home. Any floor grates or wall vents?
4. Your expectations. Keeping most of the house above 60 is one thing, but heating it evenly to 68-72 degrees is another.
No one can give you a definitive answer without more information, but generally speaking a 3000 sq. historic home is a TALL order for a single stove.
1. Heat load of the house. Any updating?
2. Geographic location. e.g. Southern Maryland is a lot different heating situation than Northern Maine.
3. Layout of the home. Any floor grates or wall vents?
4. Your expectations. Keeping most of the house above 60 is one thing, but heating it evenly to 68-72 degrees is another.
No one can give you a definitive answer without more information, but generally speaking a 3000 sq. historic home is a TALL order for a single stove.
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Two years ago we put a second smaller stove in the basement room and what a huge difference it makes in how comfortable the house is. That second stove heats the basement and we get residual heat from through the ceiling to the bedrooms.
Before you buy anything I'd do an air movement analysis and see if a single radiant heat stove will produce the heating experience you want. Don't get me wrong, coal is the way to go but you need the right equipment. Good Luck, Lisa
There are many stoves out there that will be rated to heat the house. However, the determining factor will be heat distribution. Will the air flow allow all the heat to get where you need it? Case in point is my split level. I have a Mark II which is rated for 70,000 BTUs but because of the air flow, it can't heat the upstairs unless I run the stove so hot that we are chased out of the stove room. We had to forget about the heating the basement room since it's lower than the stove room and heat moves up.ASea wrote: I was thinking I would install a coal stove. Would a Glenwood 6 be enough stove for a house this size?
Two years ago we put a second smaller stove in the basement room and what a huge difference it makes in how comfortable the house is. That second stove heats the basement and we get residual heat from through the ceiling to the bedrooms.
Before you buy anything I'd do an air movement analysis and see if a single radiant heat stove will produce the heating experience you want. Don't get me wrong, coal is the way to go but you need the right equipment. Good Luck, Lisa
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It also depends on what's been done to update that 1760's house. Unless it's brick the original exterior walls would be vertical planks with clapboards on the outside & plaster/lathe on the inside. No insulation & no place to put it. Stone foundation with lots of gaps. Leaky windows, ect.
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I would say one stove won't do it all, unless it's a good size furnace ,or boiler. As Lisa pointed out, the problem is getting the high heat in one area evenly distributed to all.
Ex-in-laws in Conn had a 14 room 1700's house that sounds similar. Bee hive cooking fireplace, plus two other fireplaces, etc. . They needed three wood stoves spread out through the house just to keep the first floor comfortable. And with no insulation, even through there was a front and back stair case, the bedrooms and bath upstairs were always chilly.
I doubt you could heat the entire place with just one large parlor stove. But, with the right placement, maybe two good size parlor stoves, like a #6 base heater, or 116, 118 Modern Oaks.
The Glenwood Oak is an earlier, more ornate version of the Modern Oak. Both have triangular grates and a wood plate to burn either coal, or wood. Both had options for a back pipe and a magazine.
The Hickory Oaks had a draw-center type grate. Not quite as good for coal as the triangular grates of the Oak, or Modern Oak. Also, could have a back pipe and a magazine as options.
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Ex-in-laws in Conn had a 14 room 1700's house that sounds similar. Bee hive cooking fireplace, plus two other fireplaces, etc. . They needed three wood stoves spread out through the house just to keep the first floor comfortable. And with no insulation, even through there was a front and back stair case, the bedrooms and bath upstairs were always chilly.
I doubt you could heat the entire place with just one large parlor stove. But, with the right placement, maybe two good size parlor stoves, like a #6 base heater, or 116, 118 Modern Oaks.
The Glenwood Oak is an earlier, more ornate version of the Modern Oak. Both have triangular grates and a wood plate to burn either coal, or wood. Both had options for a back pipe and a magazine.
The Hickory Oaks had a draw-center type grate. Not quite as good for coal as the triangular grates of the Oak, or Modern Oak. Also, could have a back pipe and a magazine as options.
Paul
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3000 feet is pretty big. Not sure how it is currently heated but for comfort and convienance I would recommend a stoker boiler or furnace.
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That was our 1750 Colonial 30 years ago. On a windy day you could feel the breeze blowing through sitting in the livingroom. Now there is tyvex under the clapboards, gaps between the vertical planks & along the sill have been sealed with foam, there's 5"-6" of stone wool insulation between the original exterior walls & the inside walls I added, foundation has been mortared up & the attic floor is well insulated. The 50-93 keeps us toasty warm on both floors but I've opened up the first floor floorplan & we don't currently heat all the 2nd floor rooms.Sunny Boy wrote:Ex-in-laws in Conn had a 14 room 1700's house that sounds similar. Bee hive cooking fireplace, plus two other fireplaces, etc. . They needed three wood stoves spread out through the house just to keep the first floor comfortable. And with no insulation, even through there was a front and back stair case, the bedrooms and bath upstairs were always chilly.
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The house is located in Southern NH.There are front and back stairs should allow for some circulation of heat It looks like hot water baseboard oil and a wood insert in the living room. There are three fire places now,two large downstairs and one smaller one upstairs. It looks like the electric has been updated new roof and newish? windows with storm windows.Maybe some blown in insulation?. I really like the house I am just waiting to hear back from the bank before I schedule a look. I will keep you all posted.
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I wouldn't be opposed to a boiler installed in series with the oil burner as backup. The Harman SF260 wood coal boiler seems pretty cool and I can burn wood or coal and I get hot water with the coil which is nice.
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In the attic maybe but unless someone added new walls inside the exterior walls it isn't possible to add insulation as the original exterior walls are solid except for the gaps between the vertical planks which the plaster partially filled. Those of us that have owned these old houses refer to the gaps between the planks as mouse highways which is the main reason I foamed them in. Gives the critters a direct route from the sill to the attic.ASea wrote:Maybe some blown in insulation?.
Don't even think about using those fireplaces unless someone has installed stainless liners or spent serious $$ to have the poured in liner material added.
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From what I can see online liners have been placed.If not I know someone that can update the chimneys. I would be interested in using the beehive oven
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I imagine that the house has a large center chimney structure with your beehive & other fireplaces. Typically there would be more then 3 fireplaces in a full size Colonial so a couple may have been walled over. There will be 3 or more separate internal structures inside the first floor section tapering down towards the attic. The original mortar used on these chimneys softens with age & by now will have fallen out or in in many places and can be pushed out with a bare finger. The areas you see may have been repointed but the areas behind your walls most likely haven't had attention since it was built. I've exposed & repaired mine & I've gotten down inside it also. Even with new mortar I'd never use any portion without a liner. The 250 year old wood framing & floorboards are sitting right up against the brick & they are very dry by now.
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There are two chimneys that I can see. I imagine the one for the oil burner has been lined and the one to the wood stove has been lined, I can see the liner hanging down in the fireplace. Any offer I make will be subject to a thorough home inspection.
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Install a coal boiler to handle the heating needs of the whole house,install an antique stove or two to burn either wood or coal depending on you wanting to just enjoy a fire in a stove (wood), or if you want a continual bone warming radiant heated spot to go to for warming up & enjoying the fire in the stove(coal).
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And an antique parlor stove works during power outages.
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