B-2 Bomber Crashes

B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:04 am

HAGATNA, Guam (Reuters) - A U.S. B-2 stealth bomber crashed at Andersen Air Force Base in Guam just after taking off but the two pilots on board ejected safely, the U.S. Air Force said.

I'm glad the pilots survived but our weapons are getting so expensive that eventualy our military will consist of one aircraft, one ship & one soldier...but boy, they will be good ones! (Eisenhower warned us in the 1950's about the growing power of the "military industrial complex".......the accountants have taken over the world)
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:36 am

It's called projection of power and its what all nations fear the most about the U.S. We don't need to be right next door, that particular plane was flying missions from inside the continental U.S. to Iraq. Crashes are to be expected and that plane has had a phenomenal record in that regard. It works as advertised ,it gets the job done just as many of the major weapons systems do introduced during the Reagan era... Abrams, Apache, F-117 these are all weapons systems of that era and each one of them has been an integral part of dominating military package.

If we don't build them someone else will and that is just a fact, the very last thing I would ever want to see this country fall behind in is a modern military. Last thing we need is to be the ones cowering in fear, I personally prefer its the other side and I'm sure many American would agree.

If you bitching about $800 toilet seats and a lot od the other waste that is involved in the military I could agree. That plane however is certainly not a waste of money.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:48 am

Richard S. wrote:It's called projection of power and its what all nations fear the most about the U.S. We don't need to be right next door, that particular plane was flying missions from inside the continental U.S. to Iraq. Crashes are to be expected and that plane has had a phenomenal record in that regard. It works as advertised ,it gets the job done just as many of the major weapons systems do introduced during the Reagan era... Abrams, Apache, F-117 these are all weapons systems of that era and each one of them has been an integral part of dominating military package.

If we don't build them someone else will and that is just a fact, the very last thing I would ever want to see this country fall behind in is a modern military. Last thing we need is to be the ones cowering in fear, I personally prefer its the other side and I'm sure many American would agree.



I agree with the need to have a strong military & my point was that we shouldn't put all our eggs in one basket. The Air Force made a move in this direction by designing the F-16 as a small, inexpensive weapon that was cheap enough for us to have alot of them. The Russians, known for believing in masses of tanks, aircraft, submarines etc had a saying: "Quantity has a quality of its own." Rumsfeld believed that we could downsize our military also, & look what that has led to:
15 month deployments in combat zones, multiple deployments by very few GI's & a terrible lack of equipment for both our main forces, Reserves & Nat'l. Guard.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: spc On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:04 am

Do you think high tech weapons such as the B-2 Bombers save American troops? I do.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Duengeon master On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:15 am

Every high tech weapon we send into combat means our soldiers wont have to go in and do the job by hand. Watch the history channel and see thousand bomber raids on Berlin. Almost half didn't return. It's money well spent.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:25 am

Devil5052 wrote: The Russians, known for believing in masses of tanks, aircraft, submarines etc had a saying: "Quantity has a quality of its own." Rumsfeld


That got them quite far in the air war over Korea. ;) If I remember correctly it was 10:1 kill ratio. Been proven time and again that superior technology and more importantly superior training is far better than quantity. I just saw documentary on the f-22 the other day, it was stated in the doicumentary that they put a f-22 against something 5 f-15's and not only did everyone of them get shot out of the sky but they never even seen the f-22. There's no point in producing inferior weapons systems if you're up against something like that.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:44 am

The F-22 will probably be the last manned fighter/bomber that will be in our inventory. The next generation will be flown by pimple faced kids, sitting in a room at some office building. The planes will be smaller,lighter, faster and much more manuverable with more sopisticated weaponry. Their training will be 15-20 years of video games, who is going to take them on? :)
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:52 am

I guess I'm not making my point clear. I believe that we should have the best weapons money can buy but I fear that we have gone so far in this direction that we will do what the Soviet Union did.......Spend itself out of existance on weapons systems that it couldn't afford & that could be replaced with systems that would accomplish the mission at a fraction of the cost. (The B-2 costs between 2-3 billion dollars each & is being used to bomb targets that a WWII B-17 would work against, or at the very worst an A-10 Warthog)
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:54 am

coaledsweat wrote:The F-22 will probably be the last manned fighter/bomber that will be in our inventory. The next generation will be flown by pimple faced kids, sitting in a room at some office building. The planes will be smaller,lighter, faster and much more manuverable with more sopisticated weaponry. Their training will be 15-20 years of video games, who is going to take them on? :)


I agree & welcome the cost savings not to mention pilot safety that these will provide our forces.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:05 am

Devil5052 wrote: (The B-2 costs between 2-3 billion dollars each & is being used to bomb targets that a WWII B-17 would work against, or at the very worst an A-10 Warthog)


Of course none of know the extent its being used but I'd imagine the B-52 is doing most of the grunt work. Recently upgraded and expected to fly into something like the 2040-2050.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:53 pm

Devil5052 wrote:I guess I'm not making my point clear. I believe that we should have the best weapons money can buy but I fear that we have gone so far in this direction that we will do what the Soviet Union did.......Spend itself out of existance on weapons systems that it couldn't afford & that could be replaced with systems that would accomplish the mission at a fraction of the cost. (The B-2 costs between 2-3 billion dollars each & is being used to bomb targets that a WWII B-17 would work against, or at the very worst an A-10 Warthog)


Unit cost is 783 million each but with development costs, spare parts and over runs, it's 2.1 billion per unit. That's alot of bucks but considering the enemy can't see it coming or even see it when it arrives, it's worth it.

How about the spy sat shoot down the other day? That was a 10 million dollar missle, made locally here by the way at the Martin's plant. Nice shot!
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:08 pm

I knew the number was mall but the article I just read puts the number at 22. $40 billion for aircraft, being able to penetrate any air space within 24 hours.. priceless. ;)
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:45 pm

Devil5052, maybe getting your point across was tough because of your previous posts about your political stance??? I would have to say that you seem to like a powerful military, yet support a party that has repeatedly cut back on the military, and because of that we have the situation described above: 15 month deployments etc...

Can't have it both ways, if you have a party that cuts back on the military, but you believe in a strong military,, you can't vote for that party, or else be a hipocrite...

Greg L

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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:12 pm

LsFarm wrote:Devil5052, maybe getting your point across was tough because of your previous posts about your political stance??? I would have to say that you seem to like a powerful military, yet support a party that has repeatedly cut back on the military, and because of that we have the situation described above: 15 month deployments etc...

Can't have it both ways, if you have a party that cuts back on the military, but you believe in a strong military,, you can't vote for that party, or else be a hipocrite...

Greg L

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A party is made up of individuals, & nowhere in the Democratic party plank is it written that we should have a weak defense. Lots of Democrats, myself included , believe in a very strong military but we may differ in what we consider strength at any point in time. I would remind you that arguably the strongest we have ever been was under a Democratic President (FDR) when we were the "Arsenal Of Democracy" during WWII.
On the other hand, I dont think any rational person would argue that GW Bush (& his Republican admin) hasn't weakened our military & National Guard to the point that it will take years & billions of dollars to rebuuild it. As far as the need for 15 month deployments are concerned, I think that Donald Rumsfeld, (twice Sec of Defense under Repub Admins) is at least as much to blame for downsizing our military as any former Democratic admin.
In regards to the B-2 bomber, I just don't see where spending Billions per copy for a bomber, designed almost 30 years ago to penetrate Soviet air space is a good platform to attack suicidal men hiding in the caves of Afghanistan with AK47s & RPG's.
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Re: B-2 Bomber Crashes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:02 pm

Devil5052 wrote:In regards to the B-2 bomber, I just don't see where spending Billions per copy for a bomber, designed almost 30 years ago to penetrate Soviet air space is a good platform to attack suicidal men hiding in the caves of Afghanistan with AK47s & RPG's.


It may not be the best platform for the job, but it doesn't miss. I'm happy with the fleet. :)
The guys in the caves it attacked? They won't be complaining either. ;)
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