Hand Fired Russo BTU Out Put

 
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Post by rberq » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 6:29 pm

Fingerlakes27 wrote:Should I invest in something larger since it is my means of heat for the entire house? It does heat my house to 70 degrees on one load in the am, am I asking to much from this stove?
If it is doing the job, with stove temps of 375 to 400 degrees, and your house is comfortable, then it sounds like it is Just Right, and (sing along) Who Could Ask for Anything More? :) It is a rugged, well-built stove. Has it kept up with your needs during the recent cold weather?


 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 6:37 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:50# x 12000 BTU =60,000BTU,that stove should be in the 50-60k range.
The OP said he loaded 50# of coal in the fire box. 50# x 12000BTU/coal = 60,000 BTU Keep It Sensibly Simple,I do not need all those number girations to twist it all around & come out @ 62,500 I posted that it should be a 50-60K BTU stove. If you don't understand simple,pm FF,he might be able to explain it to you. :roll:
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Post by freetown fred » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 6:42 pm

FL, am I reading right that you're only tending once every 24 hrs??? Try every 12 hrs if possible & I think you'll get the optimum out of your stove. PS--what WH said-- :clap: toothy

 
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Post by Fingerlakes27 » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 6:49 pm

I am tending every 12 hrs and only been running it since 1/11/15 and temps here have been -13 at night for a few days now, I was just getting the impression that this was not enough stove from some of the replys. It has kept the house at mid 60's to low 70's at its peak but no more than that.

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 7:01 pm

In my opinion (worth about $.002) that stove is not enough to do that size house with the lack of much insulation,in those cold temps. Best to settle for the best it can do or replace it with a bigger unit.

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 7:12 pm

Ok just need to know if something I posted was deleted and things censored. No foul words just some simple math that might not be appreciated if it was a game changer to be candid.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 7:46 pm

FL, you'd be the only one to know that about stove size--sounds like you're doing everything right. Soooo, there's a real good possibility that you do need a bigger stove. This one will probably get you through the season. This last weeks temps been pretty bizzare. Always better to have a tad to much to idle down then not enough with nowhere UP to go.


 
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Post by freetown fred » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 7:50 pm

DD, very RARELY do the mods delete anything, but they & the Mayor are the only ones that can do that. Maybe ya hit the wrong button--God knows I been there done that.

 
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Post by lsayre » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 8:15 pm

On first approximation you can judge how many BTU's you are "nominally" generating per hour for anthracite in a hand fired box stove by doing the following:

1) 8,000 x lbs. burned per day = days total output BTU's

2) Days total output BTU's / 24 hours = BTUH (BTU's burned per hour, on average)

For a bit of reference only, on the coldest single day in many years my house needed to sustain about 45,000 BTUH of average output.

 
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Post by Lightning » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 8:32 pm

Fingerlakes27 wrote:My house is a stick built ranch in 1977 with an addition on a slab well insulated, half finished basement where the stove is located totaling to 1900 sq ft, I can load around 50 lbs 3/4 up the 9 in brick about and inch from the base of the door.
Fingerlakes27 wrote:Should I invest in something larger since it is my means of heat for the entire house? It does heat my house to 70 degrees on one load in the am, am I asking to much from this stove?
I think you will be able to keep comfortable most of the time. Moving the heat around the house will be the bigger challenge. Here is a thread from another new coal burner tackling the issue of moving heat around. Some good information in this thread.

First Burning

Don't be afraid to load it up to the top of the fire bricks and always shake down till an orange glow is radiating downward thru the grates. Shake and load at 12 hour intervals to learn the burn.

 
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Post by Rob R. » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 8:33 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:
windyhill4.2 wrote:50# x 12000 BTU =60,000BTU,that stove should be in the 50-60k range.
The OP said he loaded 50# of coal in the fire box. 50# x 12000BTU/coal = 60,000 BTU Keep It Sensibly Simple,I do not need all those number girations to twist it all around & come out @ 62,500 I posted that it should be a 50-60K BTU stove. If you don't understand simple,pm FF,he might be able to explain it to you. :roll:
Actually, I think you missed a zero on that 60000.

If some firebrick could be fitted to that area in the front, the stove might be able to be pushed a little more...but don't expect miracles. A stove like this was not intended to replace a furnace in a multilevel house.

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Wed. Jan. 14, 2015 8:57 pm

Rob, your the first to catch my goof,even after I posted it twice. Maybe others saw it & felt sorry for my lousy math ? It did seem to work out pretty good for this stove. I also had done my 404 with the same thinking ,40# x 12,000 = 48,000 (I know,i missed 1 zero there too ) but that seems very realistic for a 404.Yes,i know the 404 is rated @ 60 K but that would likely mean running it to it's absolute max burn ALL the time. I have to try this new math formula on some more stoves & see if it works. :)

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Thu. Jan. 15, 2015 5:44 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:Rob, your the first to catch my goof,even after I posted it twice. Maybe others saw it & felt sorry for my lousy math ? It did seem to work out pretty good for this stove. I also had done my 404 with the same thinking ,40# x 12,000 = 48,000 (I know,i missed 1 zero there too ) but that seems very realistic for a 404.Yes,i know the 404 is rated @ 60 K but that would likely mean running it to it's absolute max burn ALL the time. I have to try this new math formula on some more stoves & see if it works. :)
I tried to post the math goof and why in detail and when I hit submit it vanished a minute after I saw it in the series of posts in this thread. It is why I asked about posts being censored.

As far as a Crane 404 and 60k btu/hr it is a fantasy. The stove is very close to 10 sq. ft. at least mine is. if the whole stove was 800F that is 41,700 more or less and about 100F before the whole stove glows red, not going to happen and to get 41,700 out you need to shovel 115 lbs a day in. That is about 60k gross input but not really a useful number even if possible.

As a side note the current local price of fuel oil has it 6% less than coal per million btu. It has me wondering if I want to take advantage of it while cheap as will certainly end up going up at some point and hold back the coal for then or when money gets tight and selectively pick when I burn coal.

 
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Post by rberq » Thu. Jan. 15, 2015 8:21 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:Rob, your the first to catch my goof,even after I posted it twice. Maybe others saw it & felt sorry for my lousy math ? I have to try this new math formula on some more stoves & see if it works. :)
I spotted it, but I figured zero is nothing, and what does it matter if nothing is missing? :P
The new math works for my stove, but only if I include hopper capacity -- so, no. :(

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Thu. Jan. 15, 2015 8:50 am

"It doesn't matter if nothing is missing", I like that one :lol: Well it was fun for a short while,i guess I am going to have to work on my mathematical formula some more !! I guess I was more tired than I thought when I posted that.


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