Glenwood 111

scalabro wrote:Empty the ashpan first, (nice cold ashes don't fly around the house ) with the internal check and the MPD wide open, then close the internal check. Go into direct draft and dump/shake.

I totally spaced out when I shook it down, cause not only did I forget about the check, I didn't even take it out of BH.

D.lapan wrote:I do that all the time by being impatient, by opening the door your giving it enough air to ignite the gases, on mine when this happens if I open my secondary air a little bit it will keep the blues going
Dana

Even with the sec. slots wide open, the blues go away on mine Dana.

Sunny Boy wrote:Joe,
And I would add to Scott's that you don't want to bury the fire with a lot of fresh coal. Try adding in layers you can still see some of the fire through, ...... with about 5 minutes between each layer to let it get burning before adding the next layer.
Paul

I thought I remember on Williams G6 video, after he shook his down, he specifically said it wouldn't kill it, if it was filled up. No need to layer. And mine didn't die, just took longer to recover. It's now back to it's full glory. It could be like you mentioned Scott, about all the fines in the Kimmel. When I dumped in a new hod, and even when I refilled them from the bag, it was amazing how much "crap" was stuck to, and mixed in with the big chunks. I'll bet I could get a pail of fines out of the Kimmel bag. maybe when I poured in the new hod, the benefit of the large chunks of stove, were nullified by the clogged passageways of fines.

I've piled 85 pounds 14 inches deep onto a meager wee lil huddling group of glowing coal. It goes No such thing as smothering a coal fire as far as I can tell..

Last winter I poured the bags on the garage floor and took out the stove size rocks. Then I threw the fines and such on the driveway

And that Kimmels you have seems especially dirty.

You will be able to drop almost an entire hod of stove size in on a clean, raging, quarter filled pot. Try it with clean Santa Clause on a cold day

Emptying the pan before shaking will then give you a layer of insulation, after you shake, from the intense radiant heat from a clean coal bed. This helps to prevent cracking of the base casting

Lightning wrote:I've piled 85 pounds 14 inches deep onto a meager wee lil huddling group of glowing coal. It goes No such thing as smothering a coal fire as far as I can tell..

But remember Lee, I haven't graduated into "professor" status yet.

scalabro wrote:Last winter I poured the bags on the garage floor and took out the stove size rocks. Then I threw the fines and such on the driveway
Emptying the pan before shaking will then give you a layer of insulation, after you shake, from the intense radiant heat from a clean coal bed. This helps to prevent cracking of the base casting

I remember when you did this Scott, and thought, "Why"? Now I know why. I wuz doing the same thing in my sunroom tonite.
I now understand your point of keeping some ash in the ash pan as an insulator. Makes sense.
Here's a couple nite pix, for your viewing pleasure.

Looking good Joe!

What are your initial overall thoughts on the stove?

Was your wife happy that there was no tending all day?

She was home today, cause of the snow day, and worked on the kitchen all day. Says she never touched the stove.
I've got the barrel temp up to almost 600°, and near the stove, you can feel some heat. But the house isn't climbing as quickly as I would've thought. The thermometer on the Honeywell in the livingroom, is still at 70°. Yesterday it was 75 when the stove had come up to temp. But it was almost 30° OAT. Today it's less, about 20°. I'm gunna try to bring the barrel temp up some more.

joeq wrote:She was home today, cause of the snow day, and worked on the kitchen all day. Says she never touched the stove.
I've got the barrel temp up to almost 600°, and near the stove, you can feel some heat. But the house isn't climbing as quickly as I would've thought. The thermometer on the Honeywell in the livingroom, is still at 70°. Yesterday it was 75 when the stove had come up to temp. But it was almost 30° OAT. Today it's less, about 20°. I'm gunna try to bring the barrel temp up some more.

I may be out in left field being mine isn't a baseburner, but my barrel temp just above the pot at 450 will make us strip to our underwear in a few hours, now my place is a old 1840s 1200square ft cape, poor insulation and a few fans to circ air, I can't imagine winding mine up to 600 unless it's was -20.. do you have any fans to circ air in your place?

Yeah, I've got a fan above the stove, osculating, and blowing lightly into the living area. The living area is right next to the stove, and the thermometer is only about 15' away from the stove. The firebed appears to be "screaming". I'm not getting it. I just rotated the top dome W/finial out of the way, and maybe see if unleashing some of the contained air under it will help. It let out a healthy burst of heat when I opened it up. Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining. 72° inside w/24° OAT isn't bad at all. And the upstairs hallway thermometer where all the heat rises to, is about 75°, which is also OK. As Dana pointed out, I expected more with the barrel temp now at 600°. It's only day 2 with it, so I'm still learning to crawl. I'm sure I'll be able to figure it out in time. Even if this is as good as it gets, (which I'm sure it's not) with the longer burn times, I'm happy about that. OFN. GTO

Joe,

I hope you got the heat output straightened out with your stove. Don't be shy about opening her up. You could try cranking it up just before tending, this way the temp drop won't be as bad. My little G109 could really throw the heat. After tending mine the temps dip a bit, but it's only natural. My house is poorly insulated with single pane windows so recovery is sluggish. I crank mine up a bit before tending to avoid this problem and it seems to help with recovery. After sparking mine up I found out it's a bit too small. Heat output is pretty good but I'm just not getting the burn times I needed, so I disconnected it and hooked my Chubby back up. These are such great stoves that I couldn't resist, the G109 is munching on anthracite again. I just tend it more often now! Still shaking twice a day, but filling it more often. Best of luck Joe!

Tom

Joe,
From what little iv learned so far this year with my G6 to avoid the slow recovery is........

always tend twice a day

I open the stove up and let it rev up to 500-600*. Every tend I shake till the area above the grates is glowing healthy. Than add fresh coal to the pot. I open the secondary 100% close the load door and leave the bottom door open till it makes blues on its own. Then close the ash door, flip it into base burner mode close the secondary air and shut the mpd and walk away. Anything other than that procedure and I risk coming back a few hours later to a lethargic 200* stove with no blues.

Brenden

Everything looks wonderful.
Excellent.
Now you will discover that consistency is the key. These stoves burn the fuel until it is all spent. They also hold the fire and the temperature on the barrel until there is only an inch or two of live fire left at the top. It can fool you. You think you have a good fire and in reality you have a fire pot full of ash.
This characteristic is perfect for warm weather operation. You can manipulate the thickness of the ashes along with wise use of the check damper, and keep a load of coal burning for literally days.
When it is cold and you want plenty of heat production, you MUST keep the fire clean and you'll be fine.
These stoves are so simple and carefree to use once you learn how they work. The only caveat is that you have to spend time and effort to educate yourself at first.

tcalo wrote:Joe,

I hope you got the heat output straightened out with your stove. Don't be shy about opening her up. You could try cranking it up just before tending, this way the temp drop won't be as bad. My little G109 could really throw the heat. After tending mine the temps dip a bit, but it's only natural. My house is poorly insulated with single pane windows so recovery is sluggish. I crank mine up a bit before tending to avoid this problem and it seems to help with recovery. After sparking mine up I found out it's a bit too small. Heat output is pretty good but I'm just not getting the burn times I needed, so I disconnected it and hooked my Chubby back up. These are such great stoves that I couldn't resist, the G109 is munching on anthracite again. I just tend it more often now! Still shaking twice a day, but filling it more often. Best of luck Joe!
Tom

When I've shaken mine down, (all 2 times ), the barrel was reading 500°. The 1st time, the pot was almost M/T, and I filled it to the brim. Over an hour to recover. Today, same thing, close to the bottom after shaking, but this time, I'll try layering. Still filling.

Canaan coal man wrote:Joe,
From what little iv learned so far this year with my G6 to avoid the slow recovery is........

always tend twice a day

I open the stove up and let it rev up to 500-600*. Every tend I shake till the area above the grates is glowing healthy. Then add fresh coal to the pot. I open the secondary 100% close the load door and leave the bottom door open till it makes blues on its own. Then close the ash door, flip it into base burner mode close the secondary air and shut the mpd and walk away. Anything other than that procedure and I risk coming back a few hours later to a lethargic 200* stove with no blues.
Brenden

Brenden, when you add after shaking, do you fill to the top, if the coal pile is sitting on the grates? Or should I say, "very low"?

wsherrick wrote:Everything looks wonderful.
Excellent.
Now you will discover that consistency is the key. These stoves burn the fuel until it is all spent. They also hold the fire and the temperature on the barrel until there is only an inch or two of live fire left at the top. It can fool you. You think you have a good fire and in reality you have a fire pot full of ash.
This characteristic is perfect for warm weather operation. You can manipulate the thickness of the ashes along with wise use of the check damper, and keep a load of coal burning for literally days.
When it is cold and you want plenty of heat production, you MUST keep the fire clean and you'll be fine.
These stoves are so simple and carefree to use once you learn how they work. The only caveat is that you have to spend time and effort to educate yourself at first.

Thanks for the compliments, William, and the rest of you guys. William, what you're saying explains it clearly. Even tho the barrel is reading hot, if the coal bed is clogged, and only the top is burning, then I can see how the readings could be misleading. If only the barrel and pot were transparent, then I could tell the level of ash.(Sarcasm) The clinker door only shows the bottom, so who knows how deep the clog goes. Like you said, "all in due time". I look fwd to mastering this, and can't express again how gratefull I am for all the advice.

Joe,

my stove is very similar to yours other than some what larger.

here's what I do.

make sure you empty ash in the evening. this keeps you from having to open the house in the morning ( coldest part of day ) other than to leave.

put stove in direct draft, open mpd, primary and secondary fully.

open load door and using a straight poker go straight down to the grates and rock back and forth about 4 places around the outside of the fire. do the same in a couple places in the middle. you'll see that any bridging falls.

close the loading door. engage the shaker handle and shake till you have a ring of sparks in the pan and you can see red thru the fingers. stop.

let the stove run, in 2 - 5 mins. you'll have 12" flames. open the load door and put in your hod of coal. close the load door.

let the stove run, in 2-5 mins. you'll have 12+" blues rolling. put stove in base mode, close the secondaries, MPD and primary to usual cruise settings. done.

do this each time you tend and you will keep the ash under control, the most fresh coal you can fit in the pot and heat a plenty.

do you commonly have -.04 Mano. with the MPD fully shut and the stove in base mode ?

thanks,
steve

Hi Steve, sure, my draft is always minimum -.04, sometimes I'll bring it to .07-.08 just to try and get things moving. And thanks for the poking from above tip. This I haven't done yet. As for having 12" flames in 2-5 mins.? I'll be happy with 10 mins. Yesterday it took 2 hrs to get the fire fully lit, and I blamed it on smothering with a full pot of fresh stuff. Tonite, I tried layering, and here I am over 2 hrs, and still not there. Almost, but not quite. That's with the primaries wide open, and the MPD wide open. Barrel temp barely 300°. I'm still using the Kimmel. Maybe I should try Scotts Blaschak.

Ok people, against my better judgement, I've decided to post my initial light off video. I've warned you in the past how bad they are, and they're only getting worse. My teenage daughter did the camera work, and neither of us have much experience, so I can't apologize enuff for the poor quality. The reason I'm putting it out there is twofold. (Maybe 3...I don't care) 1-it'll give you a live view of the stove, and 2-if nothing more, it'll be comical. You can laugh at my goofiness, or the fact I'm showing the 1st light, and because the matchlight I used was "old", it wouldn't light!!! After the film went off, we went outside, and got the new stuff Scott brought over. (Thanks again Scott). Speaking of Scott, he makes a "guest appearance . Hope you guys enjoy it. (P.S. turn up your volume, cause the sound is down due to the camera distance).