Glenwood 111

I'm back, 3 hrs later. I have no reason to fudge this, and am just as baffled as you guys. So this is what I did.
From 4pm to 7pm I fought with Kimmels to heat my house. I found Scotts Blaschak stove coal, dumped the bottom 1/2 of a fresh burning pot of Kimmel stove and nut, and topped the upper half with Santa coal. Now remember this. Yesterday the OATs were about 30° when playing at night. Tonite, (right now) it's 14°. And also remember, yesterday, the entire pot was full of new and clean Santa stove coal, tonite, it's only "1/2" a pot. Barrel temp 500-600°, as was with the Kimmel 6 hours ago. This is the result of only 2 hrs of the Blaschak

I couldn't get that needle to climb 1/2 a dgree for 3 hrs on Kimmel. In 3 hours, it's already climbed 4°, on a 1/2 a pot of Blaschak. I can't say the stove settings are identical, because I've tried tons to get a response. But even with the Kimmel burning hot for hrs, it just refused to raise the living room thermometer. i'm not saying "all" Kimmel is bad. just the 7 bags I just got last weekend at the Westfield Agway. Go figure. now I need to really think out the ash cleaning method and schedule. have a pleasant evening. I will, thanks to Scott, Blaschak, and Glenwood
TOTP! And I don't even care!
[Edit] Hey Brendon, sorry I didn't see your post offering to deliver some coal. I must've missed that one. I know it would've been a long haul for you, and I thank you a ton for the offer. it's bad enuff I had to inconvenience Scott, (who lives much closer than you). Much appreciative.

I find this so odd but it is what it is, I guess when you get some more Santa or reading I would mix that bad kinmels to get rid of it.

Doesn't make sense. That's a radiant heat stove with a fixed heat radiating area.

Using two different brands of the same stove size coal,.... mano indicates draft is the same, ..... and the stove has the same external temps with both brands,.... yet the house reaches very different temps ?????

Something is missing from that equation.

Paul

Joe,
Two other things that have me wondering. You say you have bags of Kimmel's stove sized coal, correct ?

Stove size is not listed on Tractor supply's website - either this year, or last. I tried to buy some. I had my TS store even check to see if it was available last year and again this year. They said no.

And that the bags you got have so much fines in them. The bags of Kimmel's I bought this year (10) and last year (25) had no more fines in them then the bags of Blaschak stove I bought last year.

Could what you have possibly be re-bagged who-knows-what coal ?

Paul

I don't blame anyone for being skeptical. I would be too, if I didn't see it with my own 2 ears. I guess I could've taken a pic of the barrel temps and Honeywell with a clock and todays newspaper, but even if I did, if someone wanted to make it up, it could be altered to look that way. I still have a lot to experience here, and maybe something else will crop up to explain it more logically. But I don't know how else to view it. 1st 3 hrs on Kimmel, hot fire, strong draft, cold house. Tried different things to improve, W/O success. Dumped Kimmles for Blaschak, 3 hrs later, warm house. And when I dumped the Kimmels, there wasn't any clogged ash. All clean clumps of bright orange rocks, ...into my new "Wilsons" ash pan.
Paul, here's a pic of what I purchased. In the bottom of the hod, you'll see mostly fines, with a couple rocks, for good measure. They may "look" good. But don't let them fool ya. It's from the Devils veins

we need boots on the ground

Joe, i'd get as much Blaschak as you can, you're using more coal yo-yoing the house than just holding it at 75, and, while your fighting for out put you're not getting to hone the tend.

glad you were warm over night,
steve

Real quick morning up-date. stove temp down a little 450°. honey well 70°, and running on oil. OATs 4°! riddled and shook, 2 layers to add to top, (Blaschak). up and running in BH 20 mins. (Not bad). Will close down stove, and b gone till 4. "Fingers crossed." OFN

Did I miss the incense smoke test results?

Joe,
Thanks for the picture - seeing is believing. I'd love to get my hands on a bag of that Kimmel's stove and try it just for curiosity and testing sake. If we were closer, I'd swap you a couple of bags of the Kimmel's nut that I've been using, to see how it works for you.

And, I think some one-on-one time with coach Scott might help shed some light on this heat output mystery.

Paul

joeq wrote:I'm back, 3 hrs later. I have no reason to fudge this, and am just as baffled as you guys. So this is what I did.
From 4pm to 7pm I fought with Kimmels to heat my house. I found Scotts Blaschak stove coal, dumped the bottom 1/2 of a fresh burning pot of Kimmel stove and nut, and topped the upper half with Santa coal. Now remember this. Yesterday the OATs were about 30° when playing at night. Tonite, (right now) it's 14°. And also remember, yesterday, the entire pot was full of new and clean Santa stove coal, tonite, it's only "1/2" a pot. Barrel temp 500-600°, as was with the Kimmel 6 hours ago. This is the result of only 2 hrs of the Blaschak

I couldn't get that needle to climb 1/2 a dgree for 3 hrs on Kimmel. In 3 hours, it's already climbed 4°, on a 1/2 a pot of Blaschak. I can't say the stove settings are identical, because I've tried tons to get a response. But even with the Kimmel burning hot for hrs, it just refused to raise the living room thermometer. i'm not saying "all" Kimmel is bad. just the 7 bags I just got last weekend at the Westfield Agway. Go figure. now I need to really think out the ash cleaning method and schedule. have a pleasant evening. I will, thanks to Scott, Blaschak, and Glenwood
TOTP! And I don't even care!
[Edit] Hey Brendon, sorry I didn't see your post offering to deliver some coal. I must've missed that one. I know it would've been a long haul for you, and I thank you a ton for the offer. it's bad enuff I had to inconvenience Scott, (who lives much closer than you). Much appreciative.

Joe,

sorry for the confusion but the post you read earlier that I posted was a quote from Scott offering to bring some coal.
However I would love to offer you some Santa clause stove coal in trade for some nut? Not sure what you got around? Saturday im booked but Sunday wouldn't be a bad day for a nice warm car ride and a big travelers mug of hot black coffee. I prefer to run Nut in the G6 and right now have to blend the stove size with my bulk nut to get the results im looking for. I have no problem trading ya. Its no prob really hell I can get the wife out of the house and take out for a V day lunch somewhere. Killen 2 birds with one stone . Besides you cant be that far from me?

Brenden

McGiever wrote:Did I miss the incense smoke test results?

Hello McG. I'm not sure what smoke test you're referring to? Are you recommending checking for leaks? I do plan to do that in the future.

Sunny Boy wrote:Joe,
Thanks for the picture - seeing is believing. I'd love to get my hands on a bag of that Kimmel's stove and try it just for curiosity and testing sake. If we were closer, I'd swap you a couple of bags of the Kimmel's nut that I've been using, to see how it works for you.
And, I think some one-on-one time with coach Scott might help shed some light on this heat output mystery.
Paul

I wish you were closer too Paul. appreciate the offer, and Brendon was kind enuff, (and close enuff) with the same.
Brendon, I might take you up on it, if you're sincere, but need to work out the timing. I'll PM

Today it's Friday, a day after converting back to Blaschak stove. I posted early about this mornings events, and no surprises. After returning home from work, 10 hrs later, clinker door was dark, but the top of the pile was still strongly burning. Barrel temps down to 350°, and the draft about -.02. Remember, when I head off to work I totally close the primaries, and the MPD. When I do this the draft is still -.04, cause the stove temps about 650°. Obviously, the lack of air starves the fire, which dies down, and the draft will follow. Trying to conserve coal by doing this, cause no-one is home during the day. I might try opening the primaries a silver, if I can prove some consistency 1st.
So I went through the ash cleaning routine, and for the 1st time remembered to pull out the draw center. And there was bridging. After all was clean, the pot level dropped once again to the bottom, so I did a couple layers to bring her back.
When I arrived home, the house temp was about 68°, cause that's where the thermostat was set. And the oil furnace was running. (Oats, 24°.) I turned it down to 65, and it took roughly a 1/2 an hour to get the barrel temp up to 600°, and put it into B/H mode. It's been less than an hour, and the Honeywell has already climbed to 72°. (And the nite is still young.) With 3 attempts during the week on Kimmel, and all other parameters being the same, the stove would never react this well. I'm hoping to leave the crawling stage behind, and now begin to learn to walk.
One dilemma has been rearing its ugly head. My Thermolux stove paint is flaking off in small sections around the barrel area. Not sure if it's from overheating(?), or prep work. I never stripped the previous paint, cause it was OK. (Except for some scratches and minor surface rusting that I sand blasted off.) I used the Skyco metal prep per the recommendations, and even contacted some rep at Thermolux to ask about painting, and if their primer was needed. They said because I didn't strip to bare metal, it wasn't needed. and I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think they didn't recommend "any" primer at all. Not a big deal at this point. I can touch it up for now, and figure out my next move, in the off season.

What till you burn Lehigh

excellent news Joe

i guess you must have got the tail end of some side vein with that Kimmels. I have to second Scott, if you ever have the chance to get yourself some Lehigh don't hestitate, greatest stuff I've ever burned.

if the nation doesn't implode before summer i'm going to get myself a TT of it. after shipping per ton i'll still save some money AND i'll have about 7 yrs. worth paid for and in my hands. possibly 9 if I succeed in getting this place insulated this yr.

steve

KingCoal wrote:excellent news Joe

i guess you must have got the tail end of some side vein with that Kimmels. I have to second Scott, if you ever have the chance to get yourself some Lehigh don't hestitate, greatest stuff I've ever burned.

if the nation doesn't implode before summer i'm going to get myself a TT of it. after shipping per ton i'll still save some money AND i'll have about 7 yrs. worth paid for and in my hands. possibly 9 if I succeed in getting this place insulated this yr.

steve

That would be cool to just stare at 7 years of paid for fuel