Stove Par Excellence?

 
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Post by KingCoal » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:15 am

franco b wrote:What makes it hard is that for everyone of the stoves mentioned there is another stove that does one or more of the basic things of a stove better. Not one does it all best.

The basics are:
Fire pot design
Grate
Ash pan
Air control
Method of feed
Heat exchange
Tending ease and cleanliness.

As an example if I could only have one of the stoves mentioned I would choose the Crawford, but would wish it had the grate style and feed and air handling of the Hitzer.
how about

GW 113 "type" stove, not nec. round body
round deep suspended pot
GW tri plex style grates
pan big enough to run 3 days min.
bi metal thermostatic primaries
fixed secondaries or, manual for the purists.
magazine standard
radiant surface area and internal direct mode outlet both optimized for ratio of grate surface and both direct or base mode firing
optional double heater feature and / or three side fire view option.
shielded grate shaking for closed door, low or no dust operation.


 
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Post by Photog200 » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:20 am

Pauliewog wrote:I really love the Art Andes. Might even risk the divorce.

Paulie
The Art Andes was always my favorite as well, that is until I saw this drawing of a stove from Canada called the "Loyal Canadian"

Randy

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Post by franco b » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:23 am

KingCoal wrote:how about

GW 113 "type" stove, not nec. round body
round deep suspended pot
GW tri plex style grates
pan big enough to run 3 days min.
bi metal thermostatic primaries
fixed secondaries or, manual for the purists.
magazine standard
radiant surface area and internal direct mode outlet both optimized for ratio of grate surface and both direct or base mode firing
optional double heater feature and / or three side fire view option.
shielded grate shaking for closed door, low or no dust operation.
That would cover all the bases better than anything I know.

 
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Post by oliver power » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:29 am

KingCoal wrote:
franco b wrote:What makes it hard is that for everyone of the stoves mentioned there is another stove that does one or more of the basic things of a stove better. Not one does it all best.

The basics are:
Fire pot design
Grate
Ash pan
Air control
Method of feed
Heat exchange
Tending ease and cleanliness.

As an example if I could only have one of the stoves mentioned I would choose the Crawford, but would wish it had the grate style and feed and air handling of the Hitzer.
how about

GW 113 "type" stove, not nec. round body
round deep suspended pot
GW tri plex style grates
pan big enough to run 3 days min.
bi metal thermostatic primaries
fixed secondaries or, manual for the purists.
magazine standard
radiant surface area and internal direct mode outlet both optimized for ratio of grate surface and both direct or base mode firing
optional double heater feature and / or three side fire view option.
shielded grate shaking for closed door, low or no dust operation.
As franco b stated............., Where's the air handling? How about parts? Other than that, The big question is; How well does it heat? Hope this doesn't sound argumentive. Just Picking...... :D
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Post by freetown fred » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:32 am

Get back to me in the spring ;)
ddahlgren wrote:Does anyone have pictures of the grates fire box etc. of a Hitzer like the 50-93?

 
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Post by scalabro » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:43 am

I keep trying to get an answer from someone or reference material WRT a Crawford "Full baseburner" style stove was in fact manufactured with prism grates.

I have not gotten a definitive answer as to if one was made and if not, why not.

 
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Post by wsherrick » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 11:48 am

scalabro wrote:I keep trying to get an answer from someone or reference material WRT a Crawford "Full baseburner" style stove was in fact manufactured with prism grates.

I have not gotten a definitive answer as to if one was made and if not, why not.
I don't think so I have never seen one. And I don't know why. It is a great mystery indeed.
Before I could pick the one and only stove. I would have to know what parameters I would be living under. If they are base heaters or good oaks, I like them all. Seriously.


 
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Post by KingCoal » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 12:59 pm

oliver power wrote:
As franco b stated............., Where's the air handling? How about parts? Other than that, The big question is; How well does it heat? Hope this doesn't sound argumentive. Just Picking...... :D[/quote]

well.....imho, if a stove needs a fan either it's design needs more work, the floor plan it's operating in could be more open, perhaps the decor does not lend itself to a ceiling fan ?

or.......it might be an application where a furnace or boiler might have been better choices ?

grates, pots, doors, glass will be available.

how well does it heat ? i'll have to let you know next season. ;)

 
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Post by Formulabruce » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 1:23 pm

oliver power wrote:HANDS DOWN: HITZER 50-93 with Optional Fan. Might dress it up a little (Factory Options). Green, or Black stove body, with gold colored plating on doors. After all; If I'm going to have one stove, it might as well be classy. Features: Nice fit & Finish, Fan blowing over finned heat exchanger, Easy shaking flat grates, bi-metallic thermostat, Ash-Pan door vents, Top loading with hopper, Shovel style ash pan, Ease of operation, GREAT performance, and parts availability. It'd be a tough stove to beat.
I would have got a Hitzer ( 30-95) IF they made a top flue model.
That said, All these old stove and base burners...Parts??? It seems some have to have one off parts cast and parts made for them...I do like the looks...

 
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Post by rberq » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 1:52 pm

KingCoal wrote:how about

GW 113 "type" stove, not nec. round body
round deep suspended pot
GW tri plex style grates
pan big enough to run 3 days min.
bi metal thermostatic primaries
fixed secondaries or, manual for the purists.
magazine standard
radiant surface area and internal direct mode outlet both optimized for ratio of grate surface and both direct or base mode firing
optional double heater feature and / or three side fire view option.
shielded grate shaking for closed door, low or no dust operation.
Hmmmm. I wonder who might be designing one like that? :?: :!:

 
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Post by joeq » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 2:11 pm

tmbrddl wrote:What is the stove to have if you can only have one? Not thinking rarity here, but practical heaters. Make and model...thoughts?
Lots of good opinions here TM. Have you any thoughts on what you're looking for? Don't be afraid to voice your opinion. You'll only tick off "1/2" of us, and you'll be heckled and ribbed for the rest of this thread. The other half will be your buds till eternity. Your choice. :)

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 2:27 pm

I was surprised the Hitzer installation operating manual made little mention of them other than don't put another grate on top. Can anyone at least describe how they wok rotating like the tri sided ones or slicing where one moves over the other like the 404 that each grate bar goes front to back and very slightly up and down?

A lucky find
http://www.stove-parts-unlimited.com/Replacement- ... 9354gh.htm

They must rotate I guess.

 
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Post by KingCoal » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 2:51 pm

joeq wrote:
tmbrddl wrote:What is the stove to have if you can only have one? Not thinking rarity here, but practical heaters. Make and model...thoughts?
Lots of good opinions here TM. Have you any thoughts on what you're looking for? Don't be afraid to voice your opinion. You'll only tick off "1/2" of us, and you'll be heckled and ribbed for the rest of this thread. The other half will be your buds till eternity. Your choice. :)
reinsert Calvin and Hobs ROFL right here :lol: :lol: :lol:

 
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Post by KingCoal » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 2:55 pm

ddahlgren wrote:I was surprised the Hitzer installation operating manual made little mention of them other than don't put another grate on top. Can anyone at least describe how they wok rotating like the tri sided ones or slicing where one moves over the other like the 404 that each grate bar goes front to back and very slightly up and down?

A lucky find
http://www.stove-parts-unlimited.com/Replacement- ... 9354gh.htm

They must rotate I guess.
standard flat 'rocker' grates. the intention is to shake them in about a 10 or so * arc each way of horizontal.

my DSM has the same "style" grate. 3 of them parallel to one another.

 
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Post by ddahlgren » Tue. Jan. 27, 2015 3:15 pm

From what others have said sounds like work pretty good. Are they connected or shake each one separately? Funny thing is seeing the dimensions it looks like with a small amount of trimming they could be made to fit a Crane 404 by adding the side bars needed to hold them.


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