Leisure Line AA 220 Boiler Using Excessive Coal and Not Much Heat

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: tikigeorge On: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:18 pm

Ebay has the Dwyer 460 $25.00 and free shipping.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

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Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:37 am

strykerlover wrote: BTW last year I had a draft inducer installed and all that did was suck all the heat through the chimney and my money out of my wallet. We'll see how this runs when the rheostats are repaired.


Do you have a baro installed? You should be able to get the draft under control. Some guys use a rheostat to slow down the draft inducer and help control the draft.

Please keep this thread on topic. I split off the discussion about life in Maine and put it in the 'Maine' forum.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: strykerlover On: Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:05 am

Yes, I have a Baro installed. I have yet to hear from my boiler guy, so we'll see where this goes.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 220
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Coal
Other Heating: Oil Fired Vega, Beckwell Pellet Stove

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:03 am

tikigeorge wrote:Ebay has the Dwyer 460 $25.00 and free shipping.


They just jumped in price from Dwyer. So that is a good deal.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: swyman On: Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:58 am

Matt, Dave, did you guys ever get anywhere with this guy??? Sounds very similar to my issues/complaints. Would like to know how this turned out so maybe I could get mine dialed in
swyman
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line AA-220

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: strykerlover On: Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:26 am

Nope, nothings been fixed yet. So I have been keeping my boiler really, really clean and only use the blower on one side. This gives me the best draft. Problem is; my boiler runs constantly and struggles to maintain the water temperature of 190 degrees.
strykerlover
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 220
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Coal
Other Heating: Oil Fired Vega, Beckwell Pellet Stove

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:01 am

strykerlover wrote:Nope, nothings been fixed yet. So I have been keeping my boiler really, really clean and only use the blower on one side. This gives me the best draft. Problem is; my boiler runs constantly and struggles to maintain the water temperature of 190 degrees.

From Jan till now ?? :shock: :what: Has the dealer been back & checked it out ??
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: strykerlover On: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:44 am

Nope, from January to now no fix. When the temps rise outdoors, the boiler will reach temp and the coal fire will go out. I believe that the rheostat is bad or not wired correctly.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 220
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Coal
Other Heating: Oil Fired Vega, Beckwell Pellet Stove

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Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: swyman On: Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:40 pm

strykerlover wrote:Nope, from January to now no fix. When the temps rise outdoors, the boiler will reach temp and the coal fire will go out. I believe that the rheostat is bad or not wired correctly.


Man that stinks. I have a 13 page thread going, just came across this last night. Mine is doing the exact same thing but I have a direct vent. When I first lit it just before thanksgiving I was trying to set it up like they said...find max burn, set it and forget it.....problem is the direct vent would not keep enough draft when I try and run at max rate with both burners. I am just heating my house and hot water right now burning through 2 40# bags a day with temps in the 40's-50's and running 1 burner. I will say I am impressed what 1 burner will do if you turn it up! I had some setup issues and I was burning more coal 3-4 bags a day in November. I burned 2400# in 2 and a half weeks in fairly mild temps? But like I said I am getting a better burn now and burning less but I still need to figure something out. Matt and Dave did find a trouble spot (I hope) with the direct vent fan...it was to far away from the housing so it was not working efficiently so I did move the blades about 3/4" closer which is a lot. It has been so warm though that I have not been able to fire up the second burner to see if that made a difference. I like you have my boiler in a garage 200' from the house but am only losing 1-3* on a 1" line. It is very well insulated. But all I have is a 1" line so one would think that this unit should keep up fairly easy but is proving not to be the case. I will keep working at it and get this thing to be more efficient with whatever it takes. We seem to be the only ones having issues, at least that's what it feels like. I have nothing to say but good things to all the people who are trying to help me out and because of them I have am burning 1-2 bags less a day but I still feel I am burning way to much for the outside temps. I was running mine at 180* on and 190* off like you but I turned it down to 160-170 and is doing better so far. It's nice to finally be able to talk with another owner of this boiler, hopefully we can help each other out! I'm a midnighter so it's time to call it a night, Hope to hear from ya, Shane!
Oh, BTW, my idle fire rheostats do work and my fire stays lit. I did a test just running my loop to the house and the boiler went to idle fire for 4 1/2hrs straight and the boiler temps were rising headed towards high limit so I aborted that test proving I was not losing all my heat into the ground!
swyman
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line AA-220

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: strykerlover On: Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:53 am

Well to be honest I have pretty much given up hope on this boiler. I burn 2-3 40 pound bags of coal when it is warm outside and when it gets cold I cannot even maintain a temp of 70 degrees in my home. It's a sad time for me because I cashed in my retirement plan when I lost my job so I could buy this boiler and save some money from buying oil. That was not the case. This boiler just about put me in the poor house. I have $11,000 wasted. I should have just bought some heat pumps and an extra pellet stove. I have tried the draft inducer, lengthening my chimney, I've paid for independent boiler specialist, I've taken it apart, re-assembled, bought higher quality stove pipe, messed with every setting, used one burner, both burners, I just cannot for the life of me figure this thing out. When I run both burners the fire wants to smother itself, draft is lacking and the boiler will not heat up. When I use one burner, I can heat up the water to 180 but the boiler never shuts off and runs constantly causing excessive coal usage. For example last year I burned 13 tons of coal. That's almost $4000 in coal, plus I had to run my pellet stove to get my home up to 70 degrees. Not acceptable. I do not like to complain and if I don't get the results I expected I usually just do not deal with the company anymore. That's where I'm at right now. I've also had to redo my chimney within one year of use because the top two sections rotted right off and fell to the ground. Sorry for the bad news but this boiler has not proven itself as efficient or a good move on my part. It has put me in the poor house. :(
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 220
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Coal
Other Heating: Oil Fired Vega, Beckwell Pellet Stove

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: swyman On: Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:22 am

Well the temps dipped to 29 last night, was low 30's during the day and I burned 3 40# bags the last 24hrs. I am headed down your same path at the moment. I have some help and I will do everything I can to make this work, just hope I/we can do it. I feel the same as you right now, the thing that really confuses me is Dave told me 120-160# is maxed out for one burner so I really have to figure out where all that heat is going? That's just a lot of heat! If I have to move the boiler into the attached garage at the house, as a last resort, I will do it but that will be the last move it will make. It would really be a PITA if I move it in there though, especially if I go bulk. I am trying to stay positive here but is very hard with the expense involved. I would like to add that you and I are the only ones that seem to be having trouble though. I have 5 neighbors that made the switch to coal a year ago and they have nothing but high marks to say BUT I'm the only one with a boiler and my first season. I have another neighbor that switched to this same boiler and had the same outdoor wood boiler as I did. He just got his installed and fired his 220 a week ago so I am waiting to see how his results are as the weather is still pretty mild. I had a corn boiler years ago and that worked good and this thing is twice what that was and more efficient. My stack temps with corn were around 300-400, the highest I had this is 170* but running at 125 right now. Will report more later unless you are totally done with this unit and don't want to hear it?
swyman
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line AA-220

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:32 am

I just reread this whole horrifying story, :shock: I don't know how to respond to this... unbelievable. I sure am glad I bought a unit that has been used since 1960 when it was made. No dealer involved with set-up or hookup,everything works as it should. 22 tons to heat 2 houses & a 30x40 repair shop + DHW yr around. I know my whole set-up is not top efficiency but I already knew that b4 setting up this coal boiler.Wishing the best to both of you guys & Merry Christmas too. :)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: strykerlover On: Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:52 pm

Yup, my parents have a Keystoker boiler and use half the coal I use and their house is much bigger. The difference is that their boiler is in their basement and mine is 150 feet away in the garage. I think that the 220 is not a big enough unit to handle my needs. Please share your experiences I have been inside and out of this boiler a number of times.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AA 220
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Coal
Other Heating: Oil Fired Vega, Beckwell Pellet Stove

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:04 pm

Its not a problem with the boiler. We have many out there doing the job just fine with the expected amount of fuel. I run one myself. One variable we are at the mercy of and cannot be responsible for but we always help with is the installation. Other brands suffer the same issues. One difference are other brands are not here representing and helping the home owner. Sure that opens us up to more visibility when things come up. We do what we can to help but when things are installed to where design does not work properly where do we draw the line. The product is proven.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Question for Dave or Matt

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:12 pm

Flyer5 wrote:Its not a problem with the boiler. We have many out there doing the job just fine with the expected amount of fuel. I run one myself. One variable we are at the mercy of and cannot be responsible for but we always help with is the installation. Other brands suffer the same issues. One difference are other brands are not here representing and helping the home owner. Sure that opens us up to more visibility when things come up. We do what we can to help but when things are installed to where design does not work properly where do we draw the line. The product is proven.

Flyer5, are there more issues with using the direct vents or do all these units HAVE to use them ? I have never educated myself much on that venting system as I have no desire to ever use one.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

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