Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

stockingfull wrote:All well and good, gents, until somebody who gets mad at you happens to be packing, and just a little bit quicker, than you.

And how many times does that happen to normal people hmmm? I'll answer that for you, about none.

Richard S. wrote:

stockingfull wrote:All well and good, gents, until somebody who gets mad at you happens to be packing, and just a little bit quicker, than you.

And how many times does that happen to normal people hmmm? I'll answer that for you, about none.

And that's because we've had the anti-carry laws that have been on the books for the last 125-or-so years. And why we've managed to forget why our forebears enacted those restrictions.

But, as they've discovered in FL, it won't take long after we loose these handy-sized widowmakers on everybody up and down the street that the "crimes of passion" will multiply.

stockingfull wrote:And that's because we've had the anti-carry laws that have been on the books for the last 125-or-so years.

I think you'd be quite surprised at how many people carry a concealed weapon. If memory serves me correctly there is 25,000 people in Luzerne County alone with concealed weapons permits. There was 11 murders in Luzerne County in 2007 :
http://citizensvoice.com/site/index.cfm ... 5154&rfi=8

5 of them were gun related, the other 6 were all killed either via being beaten to death or knifed to death. 3 of the gun related deaths were drug and gang related criminal on criminal violence. 2 could be considered crimes of passion.

Of the two one of them is listed as depressed so we can chalk that up to mental problems. The last one and possibly the only one that could be considered in your scenario I can tell you the location of that murder isn't exactly the most desirable pace to live.

stockingfull wrote:Funny, but sounds hauntingly like the outrageous 2nd Amendment arguments made after the Va Tech slaughter last April.

Remember? Some kook actually suggested that, if only more of the students/profs had been packing heat, the killer could have been taken out sooner. Nevermind that people might be taken out on other days over girlfriends, or parking spaces.

C'mon, people even had to check their guns when they came into Dodge City, didn't they? Do we have a 2nd Amendment right to BAR's or Thompson sub-machine guns, or Uzi's? Why, then, do people think there ought to be an unrestricted right to handguns?

Rhetorical question, this, because the Supreme Court has granted certiorari and will hear the District of Columbia handgun case, so the question will be answered by a good, Republican Supreme Court by next May. And then we can have real re-enactments of the "OK Corral" all over the good old U. S. of A.

Unless Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts have morphed into "Democrats" by the above definition.

So I guess your answer is 1. Democrat.

Well a liberal (democrat) is just a conservative who's never been mugged.

3 cents worth (due to inflation)

I don’t own a gun. I was serious in my previous post when I said I am too cheap to own one. As for gun ownership just for target practice on a Saturday afternoon…BB’s for a Red Rider are very cheap and I don’t think there are any laws against me drinking beers in my back yard and target practicing against the empties. Then break out the metal detector and collect the BB’s to reload….how’s that for redneck cheap?

One thing in this thread caught my attention and it is an opinion that all of a sudden crimes will increase if more guns are on the streets. (mad at the girl friend, mad because of a parking spot,…) That personally doesn’t hold any water with me. The criminals that will buy the guns to use unlawfully already own and carry guns. Those people that are being described in a manner of “You took my parking spot…meet mister bullet to the head” are already out there and whether they have a gun or not they are going to do something horrific anyway….today! Those people are so twisted in the mind that they do not care what the repercussions of committing that crime might be. The ones that use guns to commit a crime already know what they are doing, when they do it, and don’t care what will happen to them if they get caught when they do it.

Now comes Mr. 90# Soaking Wet with a gorgeous wife who are law abiding citizens…yes I believe they will be too slow with the trigger because they are going to analyze what makes “Deadly Force” legal. Being law abiding citizens they will more than likely be packing a smaller gun also figuring they don’t need a bazooka for self defense. I wouldn’t doubt it that the majority would carry it unloaded out of fear of self-inflicted wounds.

Will gun related crimes go away?? Never.
Will a criminal think twice about committing a crime if there is a possibility that his victim might be packing heat also? In my opinion…yes.
If a criminal gets shot and killed by a law abiding and law protected store owner during an armed robbery…well that’s just one less criminal we won’t have to feed in our prison system.

Will I ever own one? Doubtful

Japan has some of the toughest gun laws in the world and now their gun violence is now reaching epic proportions.

I'd pull the trigger till there was no longer a threat, so I guess in this case I'm closer to the redneck definition.

Stockingfull, you really need to get clue. You don't know what you're talking about here. The "ok corral" b.s. gets thrown out there by the media and anti-gunners everytime more laws are passed that legally restore a person's natural right to defend themselves. I'm still waiting for the news story about this big shootout in the streets that is supposed to happen. The only ones shooting it out in the streets are the bad guys and they don't give a crap about the law anyway. Its been proven time and time again that increased gun restrictions do not reduce crime. Laws only affect the people who follow them and more restrictions only affect the good guys. Maybe even a goodguy who would be in a position to save your life someday if you were unlucky enough to need that kind of help. The school shootings and all the other shootings that have been happening lately are terrible. But the results could have been much different had the "good guys" been carrying also. An otherwise sensible, non-violent person doesn't suddenly become violent or irrational with the purchace of a gun. This debate will go on forever because Most of the anti-gunners out there will not change their minds regardless of what the truth is. Their minds are made up and thats that.

One Ohio state representive recently changed his mind though. I can't tell you his name off hand but I can find it. He is a democrat and was a longtime opponent of Ohio's concealed carry. He was the target in a robbery/mugging attempt that luckily ended without him being hurt. In a news release he stated that he was WRONG about concealed carry and he now fully believes that people should have the right to concealed carry and be able to defend themselves. He said that himself and his wife would be taking classes for ccw.

I'm going to end this with a saying that some wise person came up with: "If guns kill people, mine must be defective".

John

One more thing for those out there questioning the 2nd Amendment. The U.S. Dept of Justice completed a very in depth study on the 2nd Amendment. They concluded that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is indeed an individual right. Not a right of the state or a collective right only in connection with a regulated militia.

John

Boy, I'm sure glad there's somebody around here with a "clue".

Hey, Mr. Gun Law Clue Man, tell me: how exactly did concealed carry laws come into being in the first place? And when?

And, while you're at it, here's a little information on the "license to kill" laws spreading throughout the South, with the help of the NRA:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/us/07shoot.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

“They’re basically giving citizens more rights to use deadly force than we give police officers, and with less review,” said Paul A. Logli, president of the National District Attorneys Association.

Note the story of the neighbor shot over the number of garbage bags he put out for collection. Feel safer?

I thought this topic was like a poll? Pick 1,2, or 3 & then elaborate.

Richard S. wrote:I think you'd be quite surprised at how many people carry a concealed weapon. If memory serves me correctly there is 25,000 people in Luzerne County alone with concealed weapons permits.

As I noted above, this is an urban-rural thing. Luzerne Co. has a population in the neighborhood of 315,000, so that's 7.9%. Is that supposed to be a lot? Are any of those permits for law enforcement?

And Luzerne's population is distributed over 891 sq. miles, for a population density of 354 persons/sq.mi. That's 97% lower than the pop density of Philly (11,000/sq.mi.), and only a quarter of the density of my home (suburban) county, Montgomery. It ain't rocket science that, where people are closer together, there's more, ahem, "friction."

Not a lot of coal burned where utilities are handy and space and time are at a greater premium, so it's not surprising to me that handgun control ain't popular here. But that doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

The notion that a law abiding citizen should retreat instead of defending themselves is absurd and is why more local governments are changing their laws about ccw and "retreat first". They're finally waking up. The link from the NY Times really didn't make a case against the "castle doctrine" laws in Florida which is surprising because as soon as I saw the source of the story I was expecting the worst. The story of the garbage bags didn't say what ever happened to the shooter legally. I'm guessing that his actions weren't covered by the castle doctrine, but you didn't mention the legal outcome so I can't really comment on that story. The story about the cab driver also didn't prove anything because they said there was evidence or reason to believe that the "victim" did come at the cab driver with something in his hand even AFTER 2 warning shots by the driver. The first story was a woman taking the gun away from a man who threatened to kill her. She did the right thing according to the little bit of info that was presented. "Retreat"??? I dont think so.

Just last week there was a story from a news station in Dayton Ohio about how Ohio's first batch of ccw renewals was taking place. It had been 4 years since Ohio started its ccw program. By the way, I'm no lawman or historian, so if you have some point about the origins on ccw, you tell me. Anyway, either the Montgomery Co Sheriff or a Duputy Sherrif was interviewed about ccw. I can't quote what he said but the jist of it was that the possibility of a citizen having a gun to defend themselves is an effective deterrent to crime because the bad guy may get shot.

If the police are outgunned and have their hands tied, you can thank the anti-gunners and people who cry foul everytime a LEO has tried to do his job by taking down a bad guy. Apparently some people out there (not directed at you stockingfull) think we should have kinder, gentler LEOs who ask the criminals to handcuff themselves.

As far as the NRA goes, I'm a member and thankful they exist.

John

My point on ccw laws is simple. Nobody ever would have thought of them, much less enacted them, if there hadn't been a serious public safety concern with packing.

No different than cowboys checking their holsters as they rode into Dodge in the old days.

Our forebears long ago evaluated the risks and benefits and came up with various forms of ccw laws. As the old saying goes, we either study history or are doomed to repeat it.

coalkirk wrote:Redneck! But in the great state of Maryland, first of all I would go to jail as they do not issue permits to carry unless you are a judge or polictician and second, too many bangs for Maryland also. It's illegal to have a clip that holds more then 10 rounds. But many like myself rely on the old saying that it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

I also live in Md. and the state actually DOES have a CCW appllication but is makes it soo hard to qualify it isn't worth the time or effort.

BTW< the LEOSA act allows ANY law eneforcement officer to carry in the state of Md at any time and anywhere in the state. That is how I get around thier rediculous application process.