Al Gore will need some smelling salts

coalkirk wrote:Shame on you!. don't throw them away, recycle. I think they'd make great compost.

Perfect for starting the stoves!

"China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on."
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Mo ... e10866.htm

Those numbers and charts may apply to the places they reference, however they don't conform to NE PA weather. As an example, Harvey's Lake used to get ice on it at least 2 feet thick. ... they would take teams of horses and wagons out on the lake and cut ice in the winter. I'd almost be afraid to walk out on the lake now. There may be a couple of recent years, where it didn't even freeze over.

http://harveyslake.org/text/story_icecutting.htm

Dallas wrote:Those numbers and charts may apply to the places they reference, however they don't conform to NE PA weather. As an example, Harvey's Lake used to get ice on it at least 2 feet thick. ... they would take teams of horses and wagons out on the lake and cut ice in the winter. I'd almost be afraid to walk out on the lake now. There may be a couple of recent years, where it didn't even freeze over.

http://harveyslake.org/text/story_icecutting.htm

C'mon Dallas, everything is cyclical and everything is local. I listen to radio stations online from all over the country, it was local weather reports in Minnesota saying how they just set a new record for winter cold temps. Iraq gets snow for the first time in history, china get record cold...and so on. So because you didn't experinece it in your neck of the woods is not really all that uncommon.
I don't live in Caribou Maine, I did not get 12 FEET of snow this year like they have and winter is not over yet, it doesn't mean it's not happening.
There was a recent article in the local paper about the Boy Scouts annual Klondike derby camp out, it went on about how great the sled races were with 6" of fresh snow fall. I called up an old friend and asked if he remembers how many Kondike derbys (1972-1976) we attended in which we had ample snow cover for the sled races. The best we came up with was 2 years out of 4 did we have snow in February to have our sled races.
I remember when snow used to come up to my waist all the time back in the day, of course I was only 2 feet tall at the time.

Whatever makes you happy We used to have snowmobiles and could ride from Nov. to March. You would see snowmobiles going at all time of the night and day. Now, you might see a track in the "grass/snow", where some dad took his kid for a 5 minute ride around the lawn.

Since I don't travel to China or Iraq, I don't know how their weather is changing. I have to go by what I see in my back yard, and what I have seen so far, is generally milder winters.

Looking at weather trends in the scope of your life time is not meanfull to draw any long term conclusions. Weather cycles tend to follow patterns that may trend hundreds or even thousands of years. This is mostly due to cycles of solar activity, not your SUV or your coal stove.
Interesting I saw a story this morming that said winter carnival activites in Verrmont or New Hampshire had to be cancelled due to too much winter weather. That too should not be used as the basis too draw any long term weather conclusions.

coalkirk wrote:Looking at weather trends in the scope of your life time is not meanfull to draw any long term conclusions. Weather cycles tend to follow patterns that may trend hundreds or even thousands of years.

Good point. The study referenced above is looking at a 20 year period and I'm looking at a 65 year period.

Dallas wrote:Since I don't travel to China or Iraq, I don't know how their weather is changing.

Or Minnesota, Texas or Florida for that matter.

"Indicators of Climate Change in the Northeast" Univ. of New Hampshire

http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/information/pdf/Indicators_poster.pdf

In light of this discussion I'm reposting this link to a 1975 article in Newsweek.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Wood'nCoal wrote:In light of this discussion I'm reposting this link to a 1975 article in Newsweek.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

I remember, this like yesterday. Earthday, saving the planet...etc.... Consensus,

Dallas wrote:"Indicators of Climate Change in the Northeast" Univ. of New Hampshire

http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/information/pdf/Indicators_poster.pdf

Interesting to note that the coldest day recorded and the hottest day recorded both occurred within the same 100 year period. If that chart had gone bacl 1000 or 10000 years, you would see similar fluctuations, caused by solar activity, not SUV's and coal burning.

coalkirk wrote: Interesting to note that the coldest day recorded and the hottest day recorded both occurred within the same 100 year period. If that chart had gone bacl 1000 or 10000 years, you would see similar fluctuations, caused by solar activity, not SUV's and coal burning.

In 100 years of recordings, one year has to have the the highest temperature and one year has to have the lowest temperature, unless two or more years are tied for the same record. Nor, does it mean, that these temperatures were the highest or lowest in all time.

Sorry, you're correct. I misinterpretted the meaning of highest and lowest on record. Here's some interesting info about the last 10,000 years.

The temperature rise seen in meteorological measurements of the last 140 years is a recovery from a cold period in the 19th century.

Even after the modest 1.0ºF global warming of the last 140 years, present-day global temperatures remain cooler by about 1.0ºF than they were when the Vikings settled Greenland in medieval times.

For more than 7,500 of the last 10,000 years, temperatures have been higher than today.

For at least 5,000 of the last 10,000 years, the mean planetary temperature was about 1.5ºF warmer than today.

coalkirk wrote:Even after the modest 1.0ºF global warming of the last 140 years, present-day global temperatures remain cooler by about 1.0ºF than they were when the Vikings settled Greenland in medieval times.

Not to mention that Northern England was once known as Wine Country.