The Problem With Democrats

Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: stockingfull On: Sun May 25, 2008 10:34 pm

You just keep hoping, Bugs. It's 1932, pal! :lol:
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: coalkirk On: Mon May 26, 2008 7:45 am

Devil5052 wrote:
BugsyR wrote:thanks for the video!

Democrat majority in house and senate....I say McCain in the White House....equilibrium...yin yang....balance....amen :)



You seriously believe the Republicans have earned another 4 years in the White House? IMO they are the worst disaster to befall this country since the Civil War.


The democrats have circled their wagons and are shooting each other. It's great fun to watch. Wait till the Clintons pull their next trick out of their hats. Blacks will be staying home and or voting for McCain. If you had asked me a year ago if I thought a republican could be elected in 2008, I would have said no. Not so sure now. Only time will tell.
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Mon May 26, 2008 7:59 am

coalkirk wrote:The democrats have circled their wagons and are shooting each other. It's great fun to watch.



Yep! :D :) ;)
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue May 27, 2008 12:06 am

stockingfull wrote:You just keep hoping, Bugs. It's 1932, pal! :lol:


Yeah...sure looks that way election wise...problem is...that was 1932...we live in 2008! Ummmm...things in the USA and the world have changed and are quite different than it was in 1932. :lol:

The good thing is the Kanjorski thing seems to be front page news locally (at least that is what I see)...shouldn't hurt the Democrat candidates at all. The thing that bugs me the most is the B.S. promises of pulling our troops out as soon as I'm in office (Clinton and Obama). The way I see it, McCain is more honest about the whole situation...we can be there a long time (what did he say? 100 years). Personally...I believe McCain. Clinton and Obama...especially this weekend...I see Kanjorski...promise promise promise, lie lie lie, pull the wool over the nations eyes because they'll eat it up.

My opinion and I'll even go out on the limb and say "my prediction"...our next President will be Obama (I used to say Clinton but not anymore) and I also predict that he will not be able to keep his total campaign promise about Iraq but he will have a good political B.S. story on why he couldn't keep it. Typical politics...tell lies...oops sorry about that..."mis-speak" and get elected. That's pretty much what it is all about...at least for today's democratic party. The thing that makes me laugh the most is... McCain = 4 more years of Bush...those opinions I find very humorous.

But hey...on the other hand...if anyone wants to put their entire faith that either one of these candidates (McCain, Obama, Clinton) are the answer to their problems in the good ol' US of A...I think they need to look in the mirror and see if they can adjust their life styles first because that is where one's problems start. Survival starts with the individual first not at the voting booth.

Democrat Pres. with a Democrat majority in house and senate? Could be interesting. However...my vote is still going with the one I think is the most honest.

"You seriously believe the Republicans have earned another 4 years in the White House?"
Yes...what has Obama or Clinton earned?
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue May 27, 2008 12:12 am

Forgot one very important fact...whoever is our next President has one very BIG thing going for them...what ever doesn't work out for them they can always say..."It's all that George Bush's fault!" :rofl:
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue May 27, 2008 7:49 am

BugsyR wrote:"You seriously believe the Republicans have earned another 4 years in the White House?"
Yes...what has Obama or Clinton earned?


I obviously disagree about what the Republicans have earned in the last 8 years. As far as Clinton is concerned, I think she has earned a seat on the Supreme Court as a balance to all the recently appointed conservatives & Obama has earned the chance at being President. He could have chosen a much easier & more lucrative life path than working the streets of Chicago, but didn't. Maybe he really is who he claims to be. I'm willing to roll the dice.
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue May 27, 2008 9:35 am

Devil5052 wrote:I obviously disagree about what the Republicans have earned in the last 8 years. As far as Clinton is concerned, I think she has earned a seat on the Supreme Court as a balance to all the recently appointed conservatives & Obama has earned the chance at being President. He could have chosen a much easier & more lucrative life path than working the streets of Chicago, but didn't. Maybe he really is who he claims to be. I'm willing to roll the dice.


I have no idea how she deserves a seat on the Supreme Court but if she does...ah..okay??? I guess her being used for balance there against the conservatives could be good. My values and morals are quite different than hers but if we need balance there, fine with me. Personally, I'd rather she just stay working for NY in the Senate.
As for Obama earning a chance at being President based on his past...I'll agree with that...BUT...McCain, Romney, Paul, Huckabee, Thompson, etc etc etc earned a chance to be President based on their past also.
Apples, oranges, elephants, donkeys...
comparing pasts of candidates...I choose McCain.
I will be glad once the Democrats are down to one. The lying democrat slamming the lying democrat is old already. I am with Stocking, anxiously awaiting the Presidential Debates. I'm interested in all the crap that the Dems will dig up on McCain... PTSD...temper...blah blah blah.
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: stockingfull On: Tue May 27, 2008 5:38 pm

Hillary's my Senator and I have great admiration for her intellect and toughness and all that. And I was always a big fan of Bill as Prez.

But they've both soured me badly this year. First came her tears in NH and Bill's racial antics in SC. The first caught my attention; the second moved me solidly to Barack (I began supporting Edwards). Then there was the constant tension between Hillary being "tough," on the one hand, yet complaining about being picked on, on the other.

The Clinton brand is now very seriously damaged. The only way they get back any of my support or even regard is to earn it back on the campaign trail in support of Obama's candidacy this fall. If they both don't get behind the ticket (which she most certainly won't be on after the RFK remark) with true enthusiasm, she won't be a Supreme Court justice, or a cabinet appointee, or a Senate leader after this.

I wasn't behind her candidacy because I didn't want a "Clinton Comeback" to galvanize the GOP this year. But now I cringe almost like a Republican when I see her in all these absurd "white working class" setups (she's every bit the "elitist" that Obama is), just the latest ruse in a campaign which rivaled Mitt's for crass phoniness.
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue May 27, 2008 7:54 pm

stockingfull wrote:Hillary's my Senator and I have great admiration for her intellect and toughness and all that. And I was always a big fan of Bill as Prez.

But they've both soured me badly this year. First came her tears in NH and Bill's racial antics in SC. The first caught my attention; the second moved me solidly to Barack (I began supporting Edwards). Then there was the constant tension between Hillary being "tough," on the one hand, yet complaining about being picked on, on the other.

The Clinton brand is now very seriously damaged. The only way they get back any of my support or even regard is to earn it back on the campaign trail in support of Obama's candidacy this fall. If they both don't get behind the ticket (which she most certainly won't be on after the RFK remark) with true enthusiasm, she won't be a Supreme Court justice, or a cabinet appointee, or a Senate leader after this.

I wasn't behind her candidacy because I didn't want a "Clinton Comeback" to galvanize the GOP this year. But now I cringe almost like a Republican when I see her in all these absurd "white working class" setups (she's every bit the "elitist" that Obama is), just the latest ruse in a campaign which rivaled Mitt's for crass phoniness.


Good post!

I pray that McCain doesn't choose Mitt. I fully agree with your views of "crass phoniness".
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue May 27, 2008 8:42 pm

stockingfull wrote:Hillary's my Senator and I have great admiration for her intellect and toughness and all that. And I was always a big fan of Bill as Prez.

But they've both soured me badly this year. First came her tears in NH and Bill's racial antics in SC. The first caught my attention; the second moved me solidly to Barack (I began supporting Edwards). Then there was the constant tension between Hillary being "tough," on the one hand, yet complaining about being picked on, on the other.

The Clinton brand is now very seriously damaged. The only way they get back any of my support or even regard is to earn it back on the campaign trail in support of Obama's candidacy this fall. If they both don't get behind the ticket (which she most certainly won't be on after the RFK remark) with true enthusiasm, she won't be a Supreme Court justice, or a cabinet appointee, or a Senate leader after this.

I wasn't behind her candidacy because I didn't want a "Clinton Comeback" to galvanize the GOP this year. But now I cringe almost like a Republican when I see her in all these absurd "white working class" setups (she's every bit the "elitist" that Obama is), just the latest ruse in a campaign which rivaled Mitt's for crass phoniness.


The point I tried to make in another post to this issue before you got your shorts in a knot is that you've finally had an epiphany. Most people who weren't all GA-GA over Bill and Hillary could see right from the beginning what a couple of lying thieving phonies they were. That you now can suddenly see it only tells me you are a poor judge of character. (I'm sure you'll turn that one around on me.) There's not an honest genuine bone in either of their bodies. Crap, didn't it seem alittle odd to you and your fellow New Yorkers that she dragged her carpet bag to your state after never having lived there?
They're bald faced opportunistic liars. Anyone with three brain cells has known that for years. Welcome to the real world. Glad you made it. Now I just wonder how long it's going to take for you to realize that Obama is a mile wide and a half and inch deep? Save your McCain bashing. I'm no fan of his either. The mediocrity of our presidential candidates is appalling.

Here's stockingfull right after he realized the clintons are shiesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqGLVaITsk
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue May 27, 2008 8:50 pm

coalkirk wrote:The mediocrity of our presidential candidates is appalling


We all know what we would be getting with either Hillary or McCain, & neither choice would be good for this country, IMO. What we don't really "know" is whether Obama is for real or not. Going by his words & his life's trajectory, I think he may just be the right man at the right time & I'm willing to roll the dice!
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue May 27, 2008 9:07 pm

If he turns out to be that man, I'll back him every step of the way. However, I'm not optimistic. All we can do is "hope."
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed May 28, 2008 1:42 am

coalkirk wrote:The point I tried to make in another post to this issue before you got your shorts in a knot is that you've finally had an epiphany. Most people who weren't all GA-GA over Bill and Hillary could see right from the beginning what a couple of lying thieving phonies they were. That you now can suddenly see it only tells me you are a poor judge of character. (I'm sure you'll turn that one around on me.) There's not an honest genuine bone in either of their bodies. Crap, didn't it seem alittle odd to you and your fellow New Yorkers that she dragged her carpet bag to your state after never having lived there?
They're bald faced opportunistic liars. Anyone with three brain cells has known that for years. Welcome to the real world. Glad you made it. Now I just wonder how long it's going to take for you to realize that Obama is a mile wide and a half and inch deep? Save your McCain bashing. I'm no fan of his either. The mediocrity of our presidential candidates is appalling.

Here's stockingfull right after he realized the clintons are shiesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqGLVaITsk


I haven't had any "epiphany." I knew Hillary was a very calculating and driven politician long before this campaign ever started. At least as far back as the war votes designed to make her look "tougher" on defense. And I would vote again for Bill if it were possible, despite the impeachment.

What was fascinating to see develop in this campaign was how dysfunctional they became as they attempted to switch roles. And I don't think anybody anticipated that aspect of it. Sure, you who simply hate them feel vindicated. But what happened is much more subtle than that, which of course is why you don't get it. :P She was his H.R. Haldeman, the back-room killer to complement his undeniable campaign sorcery. Her discipline supported, even allowed, his easygoing manner. But when they tried to switch roles, her edge was exposed, and his, ahem, "bedside manner" was of no use to make her likable.

But you guys already knew all that. :roll:
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed May 28, 2008 6:25 am

Let me summarize that last post for the masses. Stockingfull - "I'm a poor judge of character, especially when blinded by my man crush on bill clinton."
He really believes that the whole is not the sum of the parts. Listen up buster, 1 turd+ 1 turd=a pile of *censored*. :P
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Re: The Problem With Democrats

PostBy: stockingfull On: Wed May 28, 2008 12:24 pm

Your arithmetic summarizes your posts here pretty well.

Man crush? Get Scott McClellan's new book and see if your boy Dubya still looks good to you.

In the end, Bill will tower over this loser in the judgment of history.
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