Old Friend New Stove

Post by **Lightning** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 9:25 am

I think he just wants his neighbor not to suffer from too much geo shock. Keep him inline with what he is already used to, to some extent. He already will need to learn a lot of new tricks for being an ol dog (Pun intended of course

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coalder · Post by **coalder** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 9:28 am

SWPaDon wrote:
warminmn wrote:If the man's wood stove had a window, I'd shy away from the 55, as he would really miss seeing the fire, or may keep peeking in there until he gets a boom. Just a thought. I think the firebox size of the 55 and 254 are the same, but I could be wrong.
I just ran the numbers.

254 firebox : 260 sq. inches, and 4940 cubic inches.

55 firebox 330 sq. inches, and 8250 cubic inches.

So with both rated for about 60K btu, I can't help but wonder if the 55 is a coal hog?

Post by **Lightning** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 9:31 am

I'd rather say that the bigger one will get longer and more steady burn times instead.

coalder · Post by **coalder** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 9:43 am

[quote="Stoker6268"][quote="J F Graham"][quote="Stoker6268"]Original post'r says "all opinions appreciated" but doesnt want to hear them.
OP'r says wants something easy to operate but wont accept the fact a hopper/thermo unit "is" easier.
OP'r says hopper is "dangerous"??

Ok, I am very concerned that at 74, it is possible that upon loading he could forget to brush off debris from the hopper lid, go to bed and have a hopper fire. Also I intend to invite him over a few times so he can see exactly how I tend my stove. Once he has done this a few times I'm sure he will feel comfortable. If I show this guy a hopper stove, he'll think it came from Mars.

Jim

Post by **Lightning** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 9:59 am

Besides, pellet stoves are hopper fed.
Maybe that's why he puts them in the "gay" category..

J F Graham wrote:Also I intend to invite him over a few times so he can see exactly how I tend my stove. Once he has done this a few times I'm sure he will feel comfortable. If I show this guy a hopper stove, he'll think it came from Mars.

Please also, keep us posted on your mentoring once he gets a coal stove partner.

coalder · Post by **coalder** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 10:36 am

Lightning wrote:I'd rather say that the bigger one will get longer and more steady burn times instead.

Lee, this is what I'm trying to figure out. Also the 55 is a downdraft design, if that means anything.
Jim

freetown fred · Post by **freetown fred** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 10:41 am

When he gets in to tending EVERY 12 hrs., which is imperative consistency wise, it won't matter, the lil bit of difference in burn time.

Post by **Lightning** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 10:48 am

freetown fred wrote:When he gets in to tending EVERY 12 hrs., which is imperative consistency wise, it won't matter, the lil bit of difference in burn time.

True that Fred, although during shoulder months he might enjoy tending at 24 hour intervals.

blrman07 · Post by **blrman07** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 10:57 am

My vote is for the 254 because

It will burn ant, bit, and wood.

It has a tall shaker handle on the side so no stooping to shake it down.

It has a thermostat flap built into the stove. set the dial and walk away.

It has the same shape he is already familiar with.

It has a glass viewing door so he can see the fire and not have to open doors to see it.

Just my $.02

freetown fred · Post by **freetown fred** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 11:02 am

Yep, at this point my vote would be with the 254. Good point on the shaker handle Padre:)

CapeCoaler · Post by **CapeCoaler** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 12:05 pm

Trained my parents in a day how to do the coal...
They were wood burners too...
One issue may be weight of coal if in bags...
or walking from the basement from a bulk bin...
with a removable hopper you can put it back in later when it would be appreciated...

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 12:27 pm

J F Graham wrote:
Lightning wrote:I'd rather say that the bigger one will get longer and more steady burn times instead.
Lee, this is what I'm trying to figure out. Also the 55 is a downdraft design, if that means anything.
Jim

The 55's bigger cubic inch size is mainly above the coalbed as its a tall stove, but as has been mentioned its fuel area is a little larger too, which I did not know.

There was a recent discussion about the 55 that I and others recently had on a question posted by J F and I am providing a link.
Hitzer 55 Questions

The 254 has the side mounted shaker, correct? That may be a little easier to operate. The 55 you have to open the ash door and shake one side at a time.

I will try to remember to take some pics of the inside of my Dads stove and post them sometime as it comes up once in a while.

Stoker6268 · Post by **Stoker6268** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 1:28 pm

Im still baffled by this one. Looking for "simplicity" but considering a Hitzer 55 FURNACE??

warminmn · Post by **warminmn** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 1:52 pm

Stoker6268 wrote:Im still baffled by this one. Looking for "simplicity" but considering a Hitzer 55 FURNACE??

He's considering a 55UL, which is not a furnace but a stove.

coalder · Post by **coalder** » Wed. Feb. 18, 2015 4:15 pm

scalabro wrote:Chimney details, sq ft of house, style of house and floor plan please.....

Scott., sorry for the "hangfire"

but wife is off this week & we been busy. Besides wait till you get my age, you'll forget too. Anyway, good point. The house looks like a mobil home on a full foundation. About 12x 60 ft. And on back side, dead center is a 16 x 16 addition with masonry chimney on gable end. I believe and hope stove in down in walkout basement. However haven't been inside yet to size it up. But at most guessing 1000 to 1200 sq ft. Have another friend " Spence" who also wants to help Bob, Spence is also a coal burner nearby. He is also retired plumber. He suggested we go over together so we can both see what's going on and get a real handle on it. Haven't ruled out furnace option as Bob has hot air heat., and Spence is chompin at the bit to set Bob up with a furnace. Been away from computer for a while, Hoping to find out a little more about the pros & cons of the two HITZERS.
Jim