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Coal Stove on a House Boat
- Buck47
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03-02-2015
1. Sunny Boy: Everything you say is right on the money. In the back of my mind, I know that I will mount the outboard on the house boat for all the reasons you mention. However, the idea of working around the extortion system appeals to me. Clearly not worth it in this case. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.
2. Dlj: I am happy with the Skippy stove. Fast, ample heat takes the chill out. Just too small for a long burn. It works great heating up soups and other pre-cooked foods on top of the stove body. I have a cast iron pot to use when I remove the cooking lid and cook raw food. The larger stoves look great but are rather costly. Dealing with the coal ash is a pain because it is still hot. Dumping it into a metal can on the aft deck on a windy day can be quite messy. I procrastinated on the install so this will not be a full winter on coal. Right now I use about 13 pounds per day.
3. TikiGeorge: I have been getting my coal in bags and will store them anywhere they fit, inside or out. The bags of coal will also help me balance the weight. I will install nav lights and I have a solar panel to charge a deep cycle house battery.
1. Sunny Boy: Everything you say is right on the money. In the back of my mind, I know that I will mount the outboard on the house boat for all the reasons you mention. However, the idea of working around the extortion system appeals to me. Clearly not worth it in this case. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.
2. Dlj: I am happy with the Skippy stove. Fast, ample heat takes the chill out. Just too small for a long burn. It works great heating up soups and other pre-cooked foods on top of the stove body. I have a cast iron pot to use when I remove the cooking lid and cook raw food. The larger stoves look great but are rather costly. Dealing with the coal ash is a pain because it is still hot. Dumping it into a metal can on the aft deck on a windy day can be quite messy. I procrastinated on the install so this will not be a full winter on coal. Right now I use about 13 pounds per day.
3. TikiGeorge: I have been getting my coal in bags and will store them anywhere they fit, inside or out. The bags of coal will also help me balance the weight. I will install nav lights and I have a solar panel to charge a deep cycle house battery.
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Until the coal goes in the stove, it's ballast . And with a hull that shape and proportions I think you'll find there are times you'll be glad to be able to shift it around.
If there's anyway that you can store it below deck, it will add to the stability, too. Just be careful that coal fines don't get into a bilge pump, if you install one.
Paul
If there's anyway that you can store it below deck, it will add to the stability, too. Just be careful that coal fines don't get into a bilge pump, if you install one.
Paul
- JerseyCoal
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Both stack heights seem to work well enough.
I am concerned about low bridges and low branches.
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Don't get it too low if you start the stove with wood. Cabin top fires are no fun!
The stack pipe on my brothers first two master sailboat had a "Charley Noble" type stack. The original coal stove was gone but the coal bin and stack remained.
The Charley Noble design had a short, copper stack pipe - between the lengths of your two pipes. It had a tall copper can cap that the stack pipe came up several inches inside of. The top and sides of that tall cap being closed so that the smoke could only come out the underside of the cap.
That tall cap served several purposes. One was to prevent wave spray and rain from coming down the pipe. The second was to help prevent wind back drafts, the third was safety.
There was a "moat" built into the cabin top, all around the stack. Before starting the stove, sea water was used to fill the moat to act as a spark arrestor. Since the smoke can only come out the bottom of the cap, any sparks would drop (hopefully) into the water filled moat.
You can see one here in the center of the page.
http://www.marinestove.com/index.htm
Paul
The stack pipe on my brothers first two master sailboat had a "Charley Noble" type stack. The original coal stove was gone but the coal bin and stack remained.
The Charley Noble design had a short, copper stack pipe - between the lengths of your two pipes. It had a tall copper can cap that the stack pipe came up several inches inside of. The top and sides of that tall cap being closed so that the smoke could only come out the underside of the cap.
That tall cap served several purposes. One was to prevent wave spray and rain from coming down the pipe. The second was to help prevent wind back drafts, the third was safety.
There was a "moat" built into the cabin top, all around the stack. Before starting the stove, sea water was used to fill the moat to act as a spark arrestor. Since the smoke can only come out the bottom of the cap, any sparks would drop (hopefully) into the water filled moat.
You can see one here in the center of the page.
http://www.marinestove.com/index.htm
Paul
- freetown fred
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Solution could be simpler--use self light briquettes for starting up--YES, a lot of bridges on, per-say, the inter-coastal between Maine & Fla. are pretty low
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I was thinking the same thing. On the steam trains, they had a coal car behind the locomotive. Maybe you can put a dingy behind your boat, and use it for 2 purposes.tikigeorge wrote:Where are you going to store all of the coal?
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Stacked evenly, he'll be able to carry quite a bit for his use & I'm sure either be close to land or in warmer climates during the winter--ya know, ya don't need a schooner to get around
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But, if your willing to wait a bit, they do open the bridges.freetown fred wrote:Solution could be simpler--use self light briquettes for starting up--YES, a lot of bridges on, per-say, the inter-coastal between Maine & Fla. are pretty low
Otherwise my brother would be stuck back shoveling snow on Long Island right now ,.... instead watching the sun go down from his boat in the Bahamas. The only cold he's worried about is the drink in his hand.
Paul
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You are correct SB--my kinda brother built a Chinee Junk up in Maine & we brought it down to Key Largo--without masts it fit under most bridges but a few we definitely had to wait.
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With mild weather and a low setting on the air supply, I obtained a 17 hour burn without touching the stove. Had I not been retiring for the night, I probably could have squeezed another 2 hours out of it before the stove needed tending.
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A few hours after I posted that all the bridges open, we got an email from my brother and SIL that, when they were passing through Jacksonville, FL the bridge was broken for several days. They said there was quite a log jam of boats waiting by the time the bridge was fixed,... including a Coast Guard cutter.freetown fred wrote:You are correct SB--my kinda brother built a Chinee Junk up in Maine & we brought it down to Key Largo--without masts it fit under most bridges but a few we definitely had to wait.
Having two masts, and no way to lower and store them to fit under the bridge, they had to wait. That bridge delay made them miss a weather window, so they were stuck in Fort Lauderdale for a week before they could cross over to the Bahamas.
JC, Avoid delays, pick the shorter stove pipe !
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is the plan to have the stove going while under way too ?
if not could you use the long pipe and just disconnect it from the stove and drop it down to the "low" level if needing to pass under some where ?
love the whole project BTW
steve
if not could you use the long pipe and just disconnect it from the stove and drop it down to the "low" level if needing to pass under some where ?
love the whole project BTW
steve
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A boat without a bilge pump is a reef in the waiting. LOL....Sunny Boy wrote:Until the coal goes in the stove, it's ballast . And with a hull that shape and proportions I think you'll find there are times you'll be glad to be able to shift it around.
If there's anyway that you can store it below deck, it will add to the stability, too. Just be careful that coal fines don't get into a bilge pump, if you install one.
Paul