A Deal I Couldn't Pass up

Wheelo · Post by **Wheelo** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 9:39 am

After months of lurking around for deals on a new Clayton I finally found what I think to be a very good deal. Of course I jumped on it! And now I have tons of questions for members like Lightning and DOUG and whoever else owns one of these...

It's a very gently used Clayton 1600m. Came with 4-3' sections of double wall SS pipe, cleanout T, thru the wall thimble which is double wall, a maybe 18" section of double wall with 2male ends,cold air return kit, hot water coil kit, a small circulator pump, new bricks, new blower, various duct work pieces.... All for $1,400. Still looks brand new! Did I get a good deal?

Although it is supposed to be a bigger stove than my 1537, the firebox doesn't look as wide, the door opening looks smaller, but the box is definitely much Deeper (top to bottom) Am I right by thinking this is a somewhat smaller stove than my old 1537? Or just plumb crazy?

My 1537 is currently working itself to death to heat this 3,500 sq ft 110 yr old farmhouse, but it's keeping up nicely as it was -18 the other night and 74 in the house. And I unfortunately do not have a cold air return hooked up. Can I expect the same from the 1600m with the cold air return hooked up?

Hot water coils,,, are they worth it or not? I'm just looking to beat my hot water and cut down on my electric usage a little for a few months.

Thanks!!
Wheelo

ddahlgren · Post by **ddahlgren** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 9:54 am

There are 36 pages of conversation about the need for a cold air return. Yes you need one and yes you would burn less coal or oil ,propane wood natural gas whatever. I am betting the basement is un finished no insulation and unheated so the furnace has to start for 40 or 50 to heat the air to over 80 to heat the house instead of 68 to 80. On top of that you are filtering basement air rather than house air.

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 9:58 am

I think the 1600m should be about the same size as the 1537. The 1800 was the larger model in the Clayton.

Post by **Lightning** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:17 pm

Wheelo wrote:It's a very gently used Clayton 1600m. Came with 4-3' sections of double wall SS pipe, cleanout T, thru the wall thimble which is double wall, a maybe 18" section of double wall with 2male ends,cold air return kit, hot water coil kit, a small circulator pump, new bricks, new blower, various duct work pieces.... All for $1,400. Still looks brand new! Did I get a good deal?

WOW! Killer deal that easily ads up to what, $2500 or more worth of stuff?

Wheelo wrote:Although it is supposed to be a bigger stove than my 1537, the firebox doesn't look as wide, the door opening looks smaller, but the box is definitely much Deeper (top to bottom) Am I right by thinking this is a somewhat smaller stove than my old 1537? Or just plumb crazy?

Actually, I believe the 1600 is showing rated 180,000 BTU where as the 1537 is around 139,000 BTU. The 1600 holds a little more coal. Also the 1537 uses twin 550 CFM blowers where the 1600 uses twin 800 CFM blowers. This info is according to similar units on Usstove.com

Wheelo wrote:My 1537 is currently working itself to death to heat this 3,500 sq ft 110 yr old farmhouse, but it's keeping up nicely as it was -18 the other night and 74 in the house. And I unfortunately do not have a cold air return hooked up. Can I expect the same from the 1600m with the cold air return hooked up?

I'm impressed that the 1537 is doing the job, Its gotta be pushing it's limits since it is recommended for up to 2500 sq ft. The 1600 should handle it easier especially with a cold air return properly ducted in.

Wheelo wrote:Hot water coils,,, are they worth it or not? I'm just looking to beat my hot water and cut down on my electric usage a little for a few months.

How many in the home? I use two water coils, one to preheat DHW with a temper tank via thermo siphon. The other coil keeps my outdoor hot tub warm all winter. Collectively I'm saving $90-100 in electric per month with my coil setup.

Great score partner!

hotblast1357 · Post by **hotblast1357** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:22 pm

That sounds like a great deal!!

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:25 pm

My Clayton 1600m has a single 3 speed blower. A parts list is here: http://www.usstovefactorydirect.com/index.php?rou ... 139&page=3

Post by **Lightning** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:32 pm

SWPaDon wrote:My Clayton 1600m has a single 3 speed blower. A parts list is here: http://www.usstovefactorydirect.com/index.php?rou ... 139&page=3

Oh ok, I was looking at the 1602.. Sorry my bad..

Post by **Lightning** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:34 pm

I didn't see any specs on that blower.
How many watts/amps does it draw?
I'd consider replacing my twin blowers with one..

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:37 pm

Lightning wrote:I didn't see any specs on that blower.
How many watts/amps does it draw?
I'd consider replacing my twin blowers with one..

It says 1400 cfm on the site, not sure about the rest. I'll see if I can find the info on mine. The motor is inside the blower cage.

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 7:42 pm

1/3 hp

6.2Amps

rpm 1075.

Blower opening where it attaches to furnace. 10.5 inches wide and 11.5 inches high.

Distance from furnace to back of blower 16 3/4 inches, height of blower 17 1/4 inches.

Post by **Lightning** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 8:07 pm

Thank you for all that great info partner.
You said it's 3 speed though right?
I wonder what its power consumption is at the 3 different settings.
Is there anything about that?

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 9:05 pm

Lightning wrote:Thank you for all that great info partner.
You said it's 3 speed though right?
I wonder what its power consumption is at the 3 different settings.
Is there anything about that?

Nothing about the power consumption on the separate speeds. And yes, it's a 3 speed blower. I use 2nd gear as 3rd will blow pictures off my walls.

Wheelo · Post by **Wheelo** » Sat. Mar. 07, 2015 11:25 pm

Lightning,
It's just my wife and I here for now. (In that "trying" phase hahaha) so we really don't use much hot water. The little circulator pump is indeed a little Taco 007, I plan to use it to circulate the water as my hot water tank is maybe 15 feet away and the thermosiphon setup doesn't seem exactly feasible. From what I've been reading here, I think I'm going to have issues with too much hot water... Open to suggestions as I'm very "green" in that area..

And yes indeed the 1537 is getting pushed to its limits unfortunately. It came with the house when we purchased it. Only had one blower, one working grate, and a very warped firebox. It's been somewhat restored and now a pretty smooth running machine. I know it's being pushed to the limit, and Im not looking to completely destroy it or shorten it's lifespan by overworking it. Which is why this summer it'll be swapped out:)

I'm like a kid on Christmas morning with this newer stove! Can't wait to learn its curves, and strive for more efficiency.

Keep it rolling everyone! I'm setting back with popcorn just learning away!!!

Thanks !!
Wheelo

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Sun. Mar. 08, 2015 9:52 am

Wheelo. A couple of tips with the Clayton 1600m.

The shaker handle. This part: http://www.usstovefactorydirect.com/index.php?rou ... uct_id=107

The piece sticking out hooks to the rod that moves the grates, and is only spot welded. Have it welded the entire way around before use, as it will snap off fairly easily. Order a spare, trust me on this.

The small bracket that goes onto the 'right' side of the shaker tends to work loose ( I keep tools on top of the furnace to retighten it), and the hole for the rod gets wallowed out. I keep a spare of that part also and will update this post with another place I get parts from.

TSC will have firebrick in stock around August/September. I always have spares on hand , I keep enough to completely reline the furnace, except for the 2 'half bricks.

EDIT: Here is the link for the shaker handle bracket: http://www.discountstoveparts.com/index.php?route ... uct_id=392

You can order it or make one, but you will need a spare.

SWPaDon · Post by **SWPaDon** » Mon. Mar. 30, 2015 6:06 pm

I sent you a PM with the link to my thread on the Clayton. This info will help you a lot: My Clayton 1600M