Becoming discouraged with coal.....

Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:02 am

Hi judy, the chimney picture hints that the chimney is not tall enough, I base that on the pitch of the roof and the home at least 24 ft wide, the peak of the roof is probably a foot or 2 taller than the chimney. Another section of pipe will do wonders.
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:09 am

I flipped the picture and my guess is the chimney could be the same height as the peak which is still too low, the wind can come over the home and create a down draft.
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Coal Size/Type: Coal Contractor's stove, a little Kimmels 'nut
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:17 am

The bottom of the chimney should have the cap on it you mentioned in the other thread, take out the insulation before capping.

It looks like the chimney may not be tall enough to support a good draft during the 40* weather. Something you could also do on the warmer days to see if it would help is to put foil over the baro that it looks like you have in a pic in the other thread.

A kidde nighthawk co monitor has a digital readout....very nice unit.
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:27 am

Don't get overwhelmed--do the cap on bottom,& foil over baro-- ya did insulate pipe entrance into 8"--Do that cap & foil NOW & I'm sure you'll see a big difference--the rest as far as height is a spring time deal.
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:24 am

Sometimes there is a screen in the rain cap that can become clogged and restrict draft. If there is a screen I would remove it. Yes do put foil over the baro. your problem is not too much draft, so the baro can only make things worse at this point.
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: kickincoalinNY On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:15 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:Judy,

It looks to me as though you have B vent chimney running up the exterior of your home. First B vent is not a solid fuel chimney ( even though it may work) and even with gas it is not supposed to used without a chase. Im guessing that the pipe loses temp quickly , therefore some draft. Too, if the chimney isnt tall enough or otherwise not installed per manuf. directions , you may suffer draft problems because of it. Bottom line have your chimney inspected and dont wait :!:

waldo

This sounds right Waldo. Now to find somebody with enough knowledge in my area that can inspect it and recommend corrections. Thank you!!
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: kickincoalinNY On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:18 pm

titleist1 wrote:The bottom of the chimney should have the cap on it you mentioned in the other thread, take out the insulation before capping.

It looks like the chimney may not be tall enough to support a good draft during the 40* weather. Something you could also do on the warmer days to see if it would help is to put foil over the baro that it looks like you have in a pic in the other thread.

A kidde nighthawk co monitor has a digital readout....very nice unit.

When I purchased the house there was a stick stuck through the baro preventing it from functioning.....I wonder if that was on purpose? I assumed it was to prevent it from opening in the summer and allowing birds into the house so I removed it.
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: kickincoalinNY On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:21 pm

freetown fred wrote:Don't get overwhelmed--do the cap on bottom,& foil over baro-- ya did insulate pipe entrance into 8"--Do that cap & foil NOW & I'm sure you'll see a big difference--the rest as far as height is a spring time deal.


I love my coal stove and the heat it produces and now I love this forum for helping me to continue to love the stove!!! I will remove the insulation on the outside bottom of the chimney and install the cap, put foil over the barometer and in the spring add a section to the chimney...which I think I already have out in the garage. Thank you!
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: coalfan On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:27 pm

good job boys yah saved another one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :)
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: michaelanthony On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:32 pm

kickincoalinNY wrote:I love my coal stove and the heat it produces and now I love this forum for helping me to continue to love the stove!!! I will remove the insulation on the outside bottom of the chimney and install the cap, put foil over the barometer and in the spring add a section to the chimney...which I think I already have out in the garage. Thank you!


Don't forget to put a couple self tapping screws in the bottom of the chimney to hold the cap in place. ;)
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: coalfan On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:35 pm

i think my old one twisted and locked in place and screws will be more insurance !!!!!
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: kickincoalinNY On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:39 pm

WNY wrote:What type of chimney or direct vent do you have? was it setup with a draft gauge originally. has it been checked? sounds like a draft issue, if it's happening at a lower feed rate or idle. maybe turn your idle screw up one turn to increase the heat a bit and draft.

Everyone on here will help you out the best we can. Don't give up, it might be something simple. but the CO problem is definitely a concern. I've been running my Keystoker for 10+ years with no problems. it might be something simple in an adjustment, draft setting, blower setting. etc...

Maybe post a pic of your setup.

I see you're in Dundee, is that up by Keuka Lake? my sister has a summer home up off the lake in Pulteney, maybe when I come to check on the house or something, i could check your system if your still having problems.


I turned the idle screw up two turns and it really seems to have helped, although the temp has dropped so I would imagine that will help with the draft. I won't give up, I just don't want to die...or kill my daughter or our pets! I am most definitely going to invest in a digital CO detector and use the others as back up. I will post some better pictures of my set up tomorrow when I get a chance. It is actually pretty great. It runs off a thermostat and directs the heat up a vent pipe (what I meant by direct vent) directly into the rest of the house.
Dundee is on Keuka and Seneca Lake. I overlook Seneca Lake and am about 10 minutes from Watkins Glen....beautiful area. Let me know if you are ever in the area, you're welcome to come check it out. I know that there are features that I am not using on this stove that I would love to learn. There is actually a secondary blower up in the attic along with a distribution box that I could probably be using.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: kickincoalinNY On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:13 pm

coalfan wrote:good job boys yah saved another one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :)


Now if somebody could teach me how to "flip" my pictures we would be all set!
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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:39 pm

kickincoalinNY wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Don't get overwhelmed--do the cap on bottom,& foil over baro-- ya did insulate pipe entrance into 8"--Do that cap & foil NOW & I'm sure you'll see a big difference--the rest as far as height is a spring time deal.


I love my coal stove and the heat it produces and now I love this forum for helping me to continue to love the stove!!! I will remove the insulation on the outside bottom of the chimney and install the cap, put foil over the barometer and in the spring add a section to the chimney...which I think I already have out in the garage. Thank you!


Maybe add that chimney section before the stove is shut down ? Then you'll know this season the effects of it during the 40-50F weather.

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Re: Becoming discouraged with coal.....

PostBy: kickincoalinNY On: Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:46 pm

Here's my set up. Back pipe is chimney front pipe is directly venting heat throughout the house.
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