Radiant Heat Vs Forced Air
- Canaan coal man
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So I did some searches but really didn't find what I was looked for. What I'm tryen to un scientifically figur out is why dose a radiant stove feel so much better than a stoker at any given temp. For example I'm on my third year with my Channing lll top vent and I can heat this 2000sq ft 92yr old farm house on the south eastern side of a 8 acre corn field( WIND, WIND ,WIND,x10) to what ever temp I need it may take 5ton of rice coal a year but u guys get my point coal is doing the job just fine .
So long story short (this problly won't be short) I'm at a one of my wife's cousins birthday party last night were in the basement shooten some pool haven a few beers and they had a wood stove fired up in the basement boy was that thing throwing heat. The magnetic thermo was reading 275-350 between loads. I know damn well my Channing doesn't feel like that around the same temps even when I turn the blower of to try and create that "radiant feel" In my livening room.
So what gives? Anybody feel the same way that radiant heat is a totally different stronger feel good heat. I'm totally considering converting to a hand fed or a base burer stove for the reason .
So long story short (this problly won't be short) I'm at a one of my wife's cousins birthday party last night were in the basement shooten some pool haven a few beers and they had a wood stove fired up in the basement boy was that thing throwing heat. The magnetic thermo was reading 275-350 between loads. I know damn well my Channing doesn't feel like that around the same temps even when I turn the blower of to try and create that "radiant feel" In my livening room.
So what gives? Anybody feel the same way that radiant heat is a totally different stronger feel good heat. I'm totally considering converting to a hand fed or a base burer stove for the reason .
C C beyond the law of physics I enjoy a handfire as I was born with a coal stove in kitchen an a heatrola in another room .Dad was a coal miner an walked to work about 1.5 miles .Summers we picked lump coal off a refuse bank an crackedit an put in cellar .Bin had to be Full before playing with friends .To this day going to the breaker is a ceremony .Me an buddy get breakfast go to breaker fill 2 ton then visit scale guy an shoot the bull about mammoth primrose vein .WE leavw leave an visit nearby coal museum an shoot the bull somemore .If we are lucky a retired miner is at museum an Now The Fun Starts .Ole miner starts to reminish concerning his Mining Days .Terrific conversation .Mind boggling storys about mining in 1940s an 1950s .Also tending a handfire is enjoyable like making a nice stew .Plus reward my neighbor has oil similar house an 400 a month oil bills .Can not convert him tho .Im sure others feel the same way kinda a Guy thing alth I once was in hospital few years back an wife to care of the stove .I have pics of 3 sets of mittens an snow boots from kids after they put them under coal stove .Priceless .Just my 2 cents .jack from Coaldale Pa .
- whistlenut
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How does it feel not getting up every 4 hrs to feed the wood stove? Oops, you haven't factored that into the equation have you. The wood fire is hotter at it's highest burn rate, than slows down the radiant temperature as time increases. The coal fire, once established, maintains the same temperatures, and will maintain that temperature for however long you would like.
Ever burn a brush pile? Not too hot to start, BRUTAL when if gets going with a little assist from some middle east camel juice.......knocks you on your a$$, burns your face.....you getting the picture yet????
The temp is the temp for any given structure, and it sounds like you are enjoying the comfort of your Alaska....so are you saying you need that FLASH heat to make yourself think you are warmer.......just how many beers did you enjoy last night, because you make no sense this AM. Free country, go to wood if you would like. There is NO HEAT that feels as comfortable as that provided by coal, IMFO!
Ever burn a brush pile? Not too hot to start, BRUTAL when if gets going with a little assist from some middle east camel juice.......knocks you on your a$$, burns your face.....you getting the picture yet????
The temp is the temp for any given structure, and it sounds like you are enjoying the comfort of your Alaska....so are you saying you need that FLASH heat to make yourself think you are warmer.......just how many beers did you enjoy last night, because you make no sense this AM. Free country, go to wood if you would like. There is NO HEAT that feels as comfortable as that provided by coal, IMFO!
- Rob R.
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Radiant heat does have a different feel, anyone that stands on a radiant heated floor will quickly figure that out. In one case you are heating the objects in the room and in the other you are heating the air.
A hand-fed stove without any blowers will give you what you are looking for within the general area that the stove is installed.
A hand-fed stove without any blowers will give you what you are looking for within the general area that the stove is installed.
- michaelanthony
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which one looks warmer?
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- whistlenut
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Those seal pups look VERY comfortable, IMO. They would be excellent companions during a radiant heat source test. I would consider them to be 'Expert Witnesses'.
Poor Larry would want some instrumentation adapted to them for recording purposes, however the sleepy eyes sure make me know EXACTLY how satisfied they are....and for the price of a few fish.......no recalibration required.......sensors are lifetime......no chemical additives present......no hazmat suits....
Poor Larry would want some instrumentation adapted to them for recording purposes, however the sleepy eyes sure make me know EXACTLY how satisfied they are....and for the price of a few fish.......no recalibration required.......sensors are lifetime......no chemical additives present......no hazmat suits....
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sorry, I thought if the origin of the pic was visible you c.y.a. still learning.Rob R. wrote:sorry guys, had to axe the pictures.
Ok... picture this: who is warmer? sea lions basking in the sun or standing in front of a hair dryer?
- windyhill4.2
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CCM, we heat with a hot air exchanger pulling heat from our EFM520 boiler remotely located. T-stat is set at 74*, BUT,our living room has a hand fed coal stove that WARMS us with a bone warming heat. Radiant heat vs the hot air heat ~~ Radiant heat can't be beat for comfort,no matter what that guy is whistling about under 5' of snow up there in N.H. Now ,understand that coal radiant heat is a much more consistent warm feel than a wood stove is. We have tested both in the same room,coal wins,radiant is the best.
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As Rob said, radiant heat warms you directly even if the temperature in the room is low. Hot air has to heat the room air first and the air currents can also feel cooler.
- Canaan coal man
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Not switching to wood any time soon just comparing the radiant heat of a wood stove to the forced air of my Channingwhistlenut wrote:How does it feel not getting up every 4 hrs to feed the wood stove? Oops, you haven't factored that into the equation have you. The wood fire is hotter at it's highest burn rate, than slows down the radiant temperature as time increases. The coal fire, once established, maintains the same temperatures, and will maintain that temperature for however long you would like.
Ever burn a brush pile? Not too hot to start, BRUTAL when if gets going with a little assist from some middle east camel juice.......knocks you on your a$$, burns your face.....you getting the picture yet????
The temp is the temp for any given structure, and it sounds like you are enjoying the comfort of your Alaska....so are you saying you need that FLASH heat to make yourself think you are warmer.......just how many beers did you enjoy last night, because you make no sense this AM. Free country, go to wood if you would like. There is NO HEAT that feels as comfortable as that provided by coal, IMFO!
- Canaan coal man
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We'll guys, sadly I've never experienced a radiant coal fire very few in northwest ct are coal burners. All my buddy's bust my balls about burnen coal. I've grown up with wood stoves all my life and was almost going to install one when I bought my house in 2012 but a co worker with a keystoker boiler in his house and a stoker in his garage strongly recommended coal, so a few days later and a Craigslist add I bought my Channing from a member here nwbuilder.
Maybe next burning season I'll be experimenting with a hand fed?
Maybe next burning season I'll be experimenting with a hand fed?
- whistlenut
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Are you retired? Going to a hand fed requires more work than a stoker......every 12 hrs is the norm, and that beats the hell out of anything wood fired. Have you been over to see your buddies Keystoker? Did you look at NW Builders AHS 130???? You need to do some more homework, and you might be surprised how many 'Carbonites' live close by. Around here dry wood is scarcer than hens teeth, and the price is over 400 a cord. BOHICA!!! Coal is 305 bagged right now....so what are you missing? What kind of heating system is in your home now? Hot water baseboard? Hot air?
Do you have pets? They can add some input also.
Do you have pets? They can add some input also.
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See what Bob Villa says ^^^
I still like to stand in front of my stove ... warm ....
See what Bob Villa says ^^^
I still like to stand in front of my stove ... warm ....
- Canaan coal man
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Long way from retirement I'm only 26. I have to tend my stoker when pushing it hard in cold weather I only get 12 hours out of a ash pan. So a hand fed with hopper will do me fine from what I've read around hear. I saw nw builders boiler back when I bought his stove but that was 3 years ago I new nothing about coal and nw builder told me about this site. I have also seen my buddy's key stoker system up and running very slick works for him his house is twice my size.whistlenut wrote:Are you retired? Going to a hand fed requires more work than a stoker......every 12 hrs is the norm, and that beats the hell out of anything wood fired. Have you been over to see your buddies Keystoker? Did you look at NW Builders AHS 130???? You need to do some more homework, and you might be surprised how many 'Carbonites' live close by. Around here dry wood is scarcer than hens teeth, and the price is over 400 a cord. BOHICA!!! Coal is 305 bagged right now....so what are you missing? What kind of heating system is in your home now? Hot water baseboard? Hot air?
Do you have pets? They can add some input also.
I take it ur suggesting I look into boilers based on ur profile and questions? I thought about it and still might do it some day , I don't have a walkin or hatch way to my basement and only have 1 flue so I got some modifications to make my life easer with a boiler, but right now that's a big nut for me. I'm more worried about Payen off this 15yr mortgage.
My 2 dogs are passed out on the couch with me in front of the stove as I write and my beef cows are sunning them selfs after such a long February right now it's 38degrees and sunny , so no pets are available for input sorry bud.