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by nealkas » Tue. Mar. 31, 2015 10:16 am
http://abcnews.go.com/US/senator-demands-release- ... d=30005460
“There are still many questions left unanswered following the revelation that since 2000 Dr. Wheeler had not found one case of complicated pneumoconiosis in over 1,500 black lung claims and in more than 3,400 x-ray readings,” Casey wrote. “The coal miners whose x-rays were read by Dr. Wheeler and their families deserve more information.”
I'm for coal.
But I'm also for coal miners.
This appears to be a real screwjob on the miners.
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by davidmcbeth3 » Tue. Mar. 31, 2015 12:18 pm
They must have a special thing for this type of workmans compensation (or extra)..the feds sounds like it got involved with some special legislation. Some benefit for severe black lung cases legislation.
Normally, if you are injured on the job you should go to YOUR doctor first.
Sounds like the miners went to their doctor and got a positive; and the company doctor said no.
And in the one case, the administrative judge found in favor of the company.
Workmans comp sucks. I've quit jobs due to health concerns. This is your protection. Don't expect anyone else to protect you.
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by waldo lemieux » Tue. Mar. 31, 2015 6:05 pm
I know that these guys are getting screwed. I know that they would go down in those mines if I burn coal or dont..... But I cant help but feel horrible for buying and using the stuff. Are we all somehow killing these guys by heating our homes?
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nealkas
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by nealkas » Tue. Mar. 31, 2015 6:13 pm
waldo lemieux wrote:I know that these guys are getting screwed. I know that they would go down in those mines if I burn coal or dont..... But I cant help but feel horrible for buying and using the stuff. Are we all somehow killing these guys by heating our homes?
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waldo
I don't feel 'we' are killing them.
But the industry does the workers a very dishonorable disservice going by this article.
And the whole black lung fund is priced into the price we pay.
If anything coal buyers got ripped too.
Buyers pay part of the price to assist miners.
Companies pocket money.
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by coalnewbie » Sat. May. 23, 2015 11:59 pm
These doctors are experts at differential diagnosis but know c rap about statistical power or probabilities of deposition of fine aerosols in the human lung. Too much to go into here but the outcome of that study was obvious. It should not change compensation and good mining practices should minimize that risk. Don't smoke if you're a miner and use a simple non invasive, cheap test of Peak Flow Rate every six months. I did this work in 1971 and published the results. Govt will always screw everything up.
Wade WA, Petsonk EL, Young B, Mogri I. Severe occupational pneumoconiosis among West Virginian coal miners: one hundred thirty-eight cases of progressive massive fibrosis compensated between 2000 and 2009. Chest. Jun 2011;139(6):1458-62. [Medline].
If you looked at that number of construction workers with interstitial lung disease, it is statistically impossible to find no complicated patients in such a large population - morons. So as usual, the readers on this board know more than the rest of the world .... nothing new here.
Sorry for the delayed response, did not notice this very important thread.
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by davidmcbeth3 » Sun. May. 24, 2015 3:07 am
http://publichealth.hsc.wvu.edu/media/2880/black- ... 081213.pdf
Provides % of miners effected-about 3% for all classes of the disease-pretty high IMO ~ wonder what they were pre-1970. And I believe that the study only included miners after various changes to safety were implemented.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20884728 section of web page below (italic)
After regulations were implemented in the 1970s, declines were reported in both dust levels and the prevalence of simple and advanced CWP until about 2001, when despite stable reported dust levels, disease levels sharply increased.
Did medical science improve detection of CWP in 2001? This could explain the sharp increase in cases reported. Or perhaps reporting got better for some reason. I have not seen any explanation for the sharp increase.
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by samhill » Sun. May. 24, 2015 7:15 am
DM, this report could have something to do with it. If you have never worked in hazardous conditions you wouldn't believe just what goes on & much of it by the working man himself.
http://archive.courier-journal.com/cjextra/dust/f ... cheat.html
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by coalnewbie » Sun. May. 24, 2015 8:31 am
Interesting responses. The first particle of silaceous material to reach the alveolae deposits and interferes with gaseous exchange forever. Phagocytoses clears biologic material and the lung is constantly clearing all stuff up to the alveolae. Deposition is slow and every hard to accumulate as the bodies defenses are excellent. Too much to go into on a coal board but the point I am trying to make is that the better the techniques of diagnosis the more likely you are to find the disease. PFR is better as you are measuring the amount of lung function and is a more practical idea and is not invasive.
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by davidmcbeth3 » Sun. May. 24, 2015 11:49 am
Would appreciate something that summarizes the article like:
Hundreds of coal miners nationwide die each year of black-lung disease because many mine operators, aided by miners themselves, cheat on air-quality tests to conceal lethal dust levels.
And while the federal government has known of the widespread cheating for more than 20 years, it has done little to stop it because of other priorities and a reluctance to confront coal operators, an investigation by The Courier-Journal shows.
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by samhill » Sun. May. 24, 2015 1:56 pm
DM, if you would appreciate something that isn't in the article to your liking then I would suggest you take that up with the author. My guess would be there are very few mine inspectors & I would also be very suspect of the one's that are. I know that where I worked we knew ahead of time when OSHA was coming & normally they never got past the office building.
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by SWPaDon » Sun. May. 24, 2015 10:39 pm
samhill wrote:DM, if you would appreciate something that isn't in the article to your liking then I would suggest you take that up with the author. My guess would be there are very few mine inspectors & I would also be very suspect of the one's that are.
I know that where I worked we knew ahead of time when OSHA was coming & normally they never got past the office building.
This applies to nursing homes also.
I can't speak for OSHA at mines, but the former............I can give you timetables, as most of my family is involved in this business.
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by nealkas » Mon. May. 25, 2015 7:38 am
I've worked in multiple fields from aviation to quarrying to nursing and have yet to see "an inspection" yield anything but a snow job.
I've also been everything from low man to foreman to manager to owner.
Pretty easy to place the "paycheck clamp" on a family guy's testicles and get him to help game the system.
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by SWPaDon » Mon. May. 25, 2015 11:05 pm
nealkas wrote:I've worked in multiple fields from aviation to quarrying to nursing and have yet to see "an inspection" yield anything but a snow job.
I've also been everything from low man to foreman to manager to owner.
Pretty easy to place the "paycheck clamp" on a family guy's testicles and get him to help game the system.
And just as easy to tell a female that some needle and thread will change ponits of view also
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by Formulabruce » Mon. May. 25, 2015 11:42 pm
The original "report" is a bit biased. They NEVER show a miner with ANY lung protection, yet it IS available and it IS very improved, and not as big as it once was. I know miners who just refuse to wear any.. Bit Miners
This is just an observation, IMHO
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by samhill » Tue. May. 26, 2015 7:53 am
I never worked in a coal mine but in a steel mill & from experience I can tell you when your sweating & working the glasses (had to wear safety glasses) steam up, the respirators get clogged with moisture & dust. Many times we had to take ours off just to see well enough to get out of an area. When you have to work by feel you know your in trouble.
All that different safety equipment seems to always developed by someone that never worked outside of a lab.