Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:26 pm

spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:The war's over man! Saddam & his sons are long dead!! Give it up
Somebody forgot to tell Al-Qaeda.



LOL....OK....I've got it now!! Knock it off Karl!!! (by the way Mr. Rove, I enjoyed your little dance that night at the Presidential function)
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:15 pm

Keating 5, anyone? :roll:
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:26 pm

stockingfull wrote:Keating 5, anyone? :roll:
The Ethics Committee concluded that McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal. They had to get one republican.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:23 pm

spc wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Keating 5, anyone? :roll:
The Ethics Committee concluded that McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal. They had to get one republican.


Really?

At Keating's request, McCain met at least twice in 1987 with the chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln [Savings Bank].

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."


Lessee, 1987.... Wasn't that before the telecom lobbyist influence episode in 2000, where he, um, doesn't remember meeting with Lowell Paxson about influencing action by the FCC while chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee? Guess he didn't remember what had happened 13 years before?

Senator Mr.Clean has never been seriously vetted because he's never been a serious contender for very long and because he's a war-hero-POW who curses at Bush's big Dick and has given the appearance of being a maverick reformer who speaks his mind and sticks to his guns.

But, all alleged-affair distractions aside, the scrutiny of whether his walk has matched his talk was only begun by the NY Times. The substance there isn't whether or not he did something personally immoral, it's whether he is who he says he is as a public servant. And all his military credentials won't prevent the searching look at that which is coming.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:32 pm

The last NYT vetting didn't go too well. :)
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:37 pm

Au contrere, mon frere. The "outrage" over something as awful as suggesting something similar to that which formed the substance of the impeachment of Bill C. is last week's story.

But the substance of Senator Mr.Clean's professional hypocrisy is out there now. And it ain't goin' away. :P
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:50 pm

Does President Bush's Endorsement Help Or Hurt McCain?

It's the kiss of death!

Bush: "Welcome to my sinking ship"

McCain: " Glad to be aboard captain"

This duck just wont hunt! It's a complete joke who in their right mind would want the lowest rated President in the history of the United States supporting them? McCain has to be a distance cousin or something because this has to be a family affair.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:51 pm

The the ethics committee headed by democrats hired Bob Bennett (registered democrat) as independent counsel, he recommended that John McCain be dropped from the investigation of the Keating 5. For the first time in history, the ethics committee overruled the recommendation of the independent counsel.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:58 pm

spc wrote:The the ethics committee headed by democrats hired Bob Bennett (registered democrat) as independent counsel, he recommended that John McCain be dropped from the investigation of the Keating 5. For the first time in history, the ethics committee overruled the recommendation of the independent counsel.


Care to source some of this wonderful stuff which you assert as fact?

And then explain McCain's apologetic quote (which appears to contradict your position)? :roll:
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:10 pm

stockingfull wrote:
spc wrote:The the ethics committee headed by democrats hired Bob Bennett (registered democrat) as independent counsel, he recommended that John McCain be dropped from the investigation of the Keating 5. For the first time in history, the ethics committee overruled the recommendation of the independent counsel.


Care to source some of this wonderful stuff which you assert as fact?
And then explain McCain's apologetic quote (which appears to contradict your position)? :roll:


TRANSCRIPT of THE SITUATION ROOM with WOLF BLITZER

BENNETT: Yes, I think so. And when they did up the Keating Five, which, you know, I don't want to sound arrogant -- I think I know more about that than anybody. I was counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee. And even though I'm a registered Democrat, I recommended that McCain be exonerated.

And I will tell you, Wolf, after investigating John McCain for a year and a half and looking under every rock, I concluded he was an honest man. And I basically, because of that, recommended his exoneration, which I should add in full disclosure was not accepted by the committee.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:34 pm

spc wrote:
stockingfull wrote:
spc wrote:The the ethics committee headed by democrats hired Bob Bennett (registered democrat) as independent counsel, he recommended that John McCain be dropped from the investigation of the Keating 5. For the first time in history, the ethics committee overruled the recommendation of the independent counsel.


Care to source some of this wonderful stuff which you assert as fact?
And then explain McCain's apologetic quote (which appears to contradict your position)? :roll:






This is the actual transcript b4 SPC changed some of Bennet's words! :D

TRANSCRIPT of THE SITUATION ROOM with WOLF BLITZER

BENNETT: Yes, I think so. And when they did up the Keating Five, which, you know, I don't want to sound arrogant -- I think I know more about that than anybody. I was counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee. And even though I'm a registered Democrat, I recommended that McCain be exonerated. (Changed from executed).
And I will tell you, Wolf, after investigating John McCain for a year and a half and looking under every rock, I concluded he was an honest man. (original words: a dishonest) And I basically, because of that, recommended his exoneration (execution), which I should add in full disclosure was not accepted by the committee.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:08 pm

Even assuming our brother's quote is accurate, Bennett, as counsel to the Committee, never should have revealed his attorney-client communications, even after-the-fact. So he's not looking so good here, either.

But, if all Bennett says is so, why on earth would McCain have apologized as he did? And why, a dozen or so years later, would he have allowed a comely lobbyist to set up meetings directed at obtaining benefit from an agency over which he had oversight, much less confer such benefit?

As Senator Mr.Clean very will knows from his quote above, it's not about the technicalities of "guilt" or "innocence" in the legal sense, it's about the appearances which these transactions portray.

And they portray a legislator who doesn't always walk the walk he talks.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: spc On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:25 pm

Devil5052 wrote:This is the actual transcript b4 SPC changed some of Bennet's words! :D

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... om.01.html

You guy's are really grabbing at straws. :lol:
I accept your apology.
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: stockingfull On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:37 pm

spc wrote:
Devil5052 wrote:This is the actual transcript b4 SPC changed some of Bennet's words! :D

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... om.01.html

You guy's are really grabbing at straws. :lol:
I accept your apology.


You don't need to include me; I didn't change the quote, whether in jest or not. :)
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Re: Does President Bush's Endorsment Help Or Hurt McCain?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:49 pm

stockingfull wrote:
spc wrote:
stockingfull wrote:Keating 5, anyone? :roll:
The Ethics Committee concluded that McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal. They had to get one republican.


Really?

At Keating's request, McCain met at least twice in 1987 with the chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln [Savings Bank].

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."


Lessee, 1987.... Wasn't that before the telecom lobbyist influence episode in 2000, where he, um, doesn't remember meeting with Lowell Paxson about influencing action by the FCC while chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee? Guess he didn't remember what had happened 13 years before?

Senator Mr.Clean has never been seriously vetted because he's never been a serious contender for very long and because he's a war-hero-POW who curses at Bush's big Dick and has given the appearance of being a maverick reformer who speaks his mind and sticks to his guns.

But, all alleged-affair distractions aside, the scrutiny of whether his walk has matched his talk was only begun by the NY Times. The substance there isn't whether or not he did something personally immoral, it's whether he is who he says he is as a public servant. And all his military credentials won't prevent the searching look at that which is coming.


You are awfully quick to whine about name calling. You think maybe you could refer to the president, vice president and presidential candidates without your gutter mouth double meaning cutsie names? I "get it" that you hate them. If you can't respect the man, at least respect the office. I find it very offensive and its juvenile. And if you think it makes you sound cute and clever, it does not. It makes you sound like a crackpot. I hope saying "makes you sound like a crackpot" doesn't get me "time to think about." It's not like I called you a crackpot. Oh and the smilie with the tounge sticking out? Yea, that's getting old too.
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